[quote BY=Jersee]So how can Truth exist independently if it is not recognized or accepted?[/quote][color=black][b]This question ultimately is suggesting that truth is relative to people. In a later post of yours, I noted that you made it clear that you are not discussing objective truth. If I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that even though there may be an existing fact, until accepted, it is not really true to that person. This is basically saying that minds create truths or falsehoods. It appears to me that you are mixing up the concepts of a belief & a truth in a blender. Human beliefs depend on their human minds for existence, no doubt. <blockquote>However, to suggest that mankind's beliefs depend on minds for their truth is like saying that when the earth existed before humans dwelled on it; the concept of human existence wasn't true to us because we didn't exist in the first place. If this explains your position, I would have to agree with you. But if, on the first day humans dwelled the earth, Adam said to Eve , "You & I are existing right now", but Eve said , "You and I are not existing right now" ; can it still be reasonably justified that existence & non-existence of Adam & Eve could occur simultaneously in that specific situation when they were talking to each other?</blockquote>[quote BY=Jersee] So where does "FAITH" fit in? It isn't a object nor is it intellect. Or is it?[/quote][color=black][b]Because faith is the basis of hoping & trusting in things not seen, it would have to be different from the intellect. The intellect reasons deductively & inductively based upon tangible concepts. In turn, a conclusion is reached based upon the calculation. A faith based belief is a complete trust & reliance in hope for something not yet seen or presented.
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how do you know something?
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[color=black][b]Knowing something begins with a starting point as the basis and needs no further demonstration to be true. Argumentation produces questions, but knowledge must be based on principles about which there can be no question. How could argumentation possibly be a source of knowledge within any frame of reasoning? Any form of a conclusion must be demonstrated through premises which are self-evident or being capable of being demonstrated other ways. Does the mind conform to reality or does reality conform to the mind?
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Based on what you said to know and believe mean...where does faith fit in all of that?
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[color=black][b]Faith & belief can overlap as well as be seperated. Believing & knowing, in the sense of intellectually being aware of the existence of something right there in your face, is not tied into faith. However, believing; in the sense of trusting & relying upon someone or something is tied into the faculty of faith.
Also, do you we apply reasoning principles in light of Scripture
Or should we apply Scripture in light of reasoning principles?
Jersee, I'm having a meltdown like one of your nuke plants off
the turnpike! ! !
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