[KaosTheory]

J: Believe anything you wish to without reprisal or persecution. This is one thing that Jesus died for. It was in the name of the Father but, IMHO it was for free will too. It is not true love if one was persuaded into loving God through duress and persecution.



KT: Doesn't it go without saying that you can believe what you wish? Ok, but your point is "without reprisal or persecution". I agree. Is it ok if the reprisal comes from God? Keep in mind, that ideas carry consequences. I can believe that fire will not burn me all I want to. I can believe that Jesus is only a story book character. I can believe that I can kill anyone that gets in my way. It is clear that these beliefs would carry reprisal and persecution. This is reducing it to the ridicules, I know but where do we draw the line?



I used the word persuasion to convey the use of reason to effect a free will conversion to my belief. Persuasion by duress is coercion. I agree that this is not true love.



J: Just keep in mind, none of this can exist wthout acceptance. If folks accept it or anthing to be true--then it is for them--even if the reality of it all says otherwise. Our economic system is a good example.



KT: None of what can exist? -- It IS true for them. I agree. A good example of my previous point is that You yourself have demonstrated that You believe that it is not ok for Iamfree to believe what he believes, about the successfulness of Redemption. It IS true for him though.



J: Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.



KT: Yes exactly. In a way, if not literally, the "Facts" have an existence all their own. I mean, apart from our understanding of them. Their existence is not contingent upon our understanding. My focus is, arriving at the "Facts" and communicating them to others.



J: right now--I cannot disconnect the energy produced from the reality that recognizes the energy and returns such reality through sense data. I exist therfore, I am.



KT: Interesting but doesn't answer my question.





J: no not 100%



KT: Good answer. Now, since you can not be 100% certain that your entire life has not been a figment of your imagination, how can you be 100% certain about anything besides what you know you feel at the present time?



J: Is day dreaming the answer you're searching for?



KT: Not exactly, I am questioning your trust in your ability to perceive and interpret what your senses or your brain are telling you. Are you 100% certain that you are not dreaming right now?



J: So if the puzzle was already solved prior to the answers given--did it really make everyone's answers false? Hhmmmm interesting.



KT: Well, the crossword puzzle is offered as an analogy to "Absolute Truth" or the "Facts" that exist apart from our understanding. The "Fact", in this case, is that there is only one solution to the overall puzzle. This fact remains only a theory to the puzzlers until the puzzle is indeed solved. I would say that if our answers did not correspond to the "Absolute Truth" (solution) then yes, those answers (theories) were false. Did you have a different perspective on this? I am sensing that you got something else out of my parable.