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What did the people that went to jail do that got them put in jail?

We need to know some particulars.

Your post is sort of vague and general.

Could you PLEASE be really clear and very specific.

Could you describe some of the horrific things you have personally seen people go through?

Being really specific, detailed and clear would really help out a lot of people who might get taken by these people.

Surely you must have names of the people who charged hundreds if not thousands for seminars.

There must have been advertisements.

I know it would perhaps be indiscreet to disclose actual names, but, perhaps, you have links to or at least information as to where one might go to look for such specific advertisement of such seminars that cost in the hundreds and even thousands.

Please, throw me a bone?

Surely you must have some clear details of how the scam works and exactly what got people put into jail.

Would you please, PLEASE, please, provide (from your own personal experiences, involving your own admitted pesonal escapes), details of both your actual knowledge, as wel as perceptions of the mechanics of the scam itself, and the purported merchandise being offered, apparently, for sale?

Please; such detail would only further your own apparent goal of educating people as to the nature and form of the danger you apparently seek to expose.

Any precise, detailed, clear, and concise specific information you could share would be a very valuable contribution.

It would be a shame to post such a general and unspecified warning and then not be able to really help us out with some details and specifics.

Please, this, sounds very bad, could you help?

Please?

Again, specifics and clarity, at least with descriptive particularity, rather that vagueness, and generality, would be of far greater value to those of us who might become victim.

In fact, vagueness and generality might, perhaps, actually tend to lead the unwary into exploring the very thing you are warning against, and send those people, looking for clarification, into the same situations you only seem to vaguely allude to.

Originally Posted by Madeline

How does one do this?

How did you find out about these particular seminars, and is there any discreet way you could provide information on where one might find and consider this firsthand?

Can you provide some substantive anectdotals wherein people have refused to give you, or others, their real name (and if it is known not to be their real name, perhaps you could, without legal risk, expose their alias)?

Again, this sounds very very bad, yet you leave the reader hanging.

Please, if it is so bad, help us, by exposing particulars and specifics with a substantive degree of precision.

Again, please?

This is terrible.

Please show us the mechanics of how this is being perpetrated.

You must know for certain, or certainly you would not be able to entertain such as mere thoughts.

Again, this is terrible.

Please, please, show how this is true, that people would do this, won't you please help us by showing how this intent led to the ends described (especially regarding going to jail)?

Did those unfortunate innocent victims who entertained any proposition entertain such ideas with discretion, or were they, themselves, applying consideration of the possibility of short-term, instant gratification, "easy money," "get out of jail free," "something for nothing," and/or quick band-aid solutions to immediate problems, rather than any long term uses, goals, and/or possible ramifications?

The "helping" of one "go to jail" that you have brought up is, to me the meat of the matter, and my plea to you is to show the precise mechanics of these happenings and the precise relationship of the ones providing the means to entertainment to the ones who entertain the ideas and act upon that entertainment, that lead to the specific and particular "helping" of one to "go to jail."

This would really be helpful, appreciated, very honorable, most appreciated, and highly valued.

What, precisely, is it you would "like to see someone prove different," and as a reference what have you, in relevance, proven that would be disproven or proved "different?"

This also is the very meat of the matter, and clarification, exemplification, illustration, etc., of your fortune is one of the very things that would be most helpful in effecting the object of your "important suggestion."

Please, can you help us out here?

Please?

This is, again, of especial importance!

Please, I beg of you, for details and clarity here.

Descriptions, thorough, detailed, clear, and concise, presented through honest authentic anectdotal, would be a very strong remedy to temptation to succomb in confidence, as well as to expose the nature and mechanics of the scam, as well as empirical relativity of cause to effect.

More of the stories of the victims?

Please help us here, as you have professed, and/or expressed to be in position to do so.

What is "UCC/redemption?"

Howso?

Indeed, the IRS/Federal Reserve stockholders/DOJ scheme comes to mind, as do the schemes of war financiers/investors/profiteers, as well as the practitioners of accepting promissory notes, bonded by signature (word) in good faith, and using such on two sides of an accrual accounting ledger in order to create an asset, then presuming to "lend" the promisory note created asset just accounted back to the creator of the instrument under the presumption that the there is a "risk loan" of pre-existing funds, and then, in collusion with a bank of issue's public policy of lending into existence enough credit to acquire goods and services through the above described scheme, but not enough to service the "interest" on the new debt "loaned" into existence by banking monetized promisory notes as assets, and balancing the account by reflecting an offsetting debit consisting of redisbusing the asset created by the bond as a "loan" to the creator of the bond, and, in time, re-aquiring the physical property if one experiences the quandary of not enough credit being released into the economy to cover both the self-created "loan" principal, and the accrual of the interest in the principal.

This only touches upon some of the other such scammers as the ones you have but hinted at.

That goes for all.

Again, you seem to be in a real position to help, as you are in possession of first hand knowledge.

Again I plea, won't you please help us?