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Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts
Can you prove the claims you are making? Can you prove there are people out there that own private property and do not pay property tax? Bring forth the proof, and I will be more than willing to pay more attention to what you are saying. until such time as you prove your claim, it is in my opinion, just another patriot myth.Jerry
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JG: Any Church or religious organization that owns property in mortmain is tax exempt. So you must acknowledge that tax exemption exists.
The next question - is "private property" subject to taxation?
I can't find any cite or statute that says so.
Can you ?
I do find myriad statutes that impose a tax on "real and personal property" (See Texas Constitution reference posted before).
But I can't find ONE REFERENCE that says REAL ESTATE held by qualified ownership is the same as PRIVATE PROPERTY held with absolute ownership.
(I didn't make up those definitions, nor the fifth amendment, USCON)
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Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts
Like I said before, you talk a good game of legal mumbo jumbo (secular law), but you cannot prove that you are a sovereign over anything. Even the body you claim you have sovereignty over, I dispute that, due to the fact that you are visually impaired. You are not a optometrist or other eye doctor sort which would enable you to remedy that problem, therefore you are dependent upon others to meet that need. A Sovereign has no dependencies, He (the sovereign) is truly independent. You say you are a sovereign, yet the police can come into your home, at the point of a gun and take whatever they desire and you are incapable of stopping them. Oh you can take them to court, but the courts will laugh in your face. Jerry
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JG: Since I am under no compulsions or obligations to the state, pursuant to their law, what is there to prove? I can't be compelled into the militia. I cannot be compelled to sit for jury duty. I cannot be dispossessed without due process of law, etc., etc. I am not liable for the unpayable national debt. I am not culpable for the socialist government's submission to usurers, nor the military adventures across the globe.
The definition of sovereign does not state one that has no dependencies. So your logic is flawed, as is the follow up issues you raise.
Let's review terminology, so you won't make the same mistake again.
SOVEREIGN - "...Having undisputed right to make decisions and act accordingly".
New Webster's Dictionary And Thesaurus, p. 950.
SOVEREIGN - A person, body or state in which independent and supreme authority is vested...
Black's Law Dictionary Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1395.
SOVEREIGNTY - ...By "Sovereignty", in its largest sense is meant supreme, absolute, uncontrollable power, the absolute right to govern.
Black's Law Dictionary Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1396.
Do you note anything about dependencies in that?
I do not.
Sovereignty over one's person, labor and property is supreme, absolute, and uncontrollable power.
Now, when the government says that people are sovereign, do you think it means that the government is supreme, absolute and uncontrollable power over the people and their property?
"Government is not Sovereignty. Government is the machinery or expedient for expressing the will of the sovereign power." City of Bisbee v. Cochise County,
78 P. 2d 982, 986, 52 Ariz. 1
It does not appear so.
"The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative."
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)
"At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly he sovereigns of the country."
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463
I guess you might construe court cites to be legal mumbo jumbo if you would prefer that Americans do not learn about sovereignty and private property.
And your stated fear of police and guns entering your home shows that perhaps you believe their propaganda too much. Perhaps you registered it as estate? Remember, only private property is protected.
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Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts
Until then, find the evidence that will prove that you are a sovereign, or that others (real men and women, not private corporations) own private property and as a result are not paying taxes.
Jerry
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JG: What fact leads you to presume people are NOT sovereign?
What fact leads you to presume that people cannot own private property when the law plainly admits of its existence?
If you assume 'everybody' is a subject / citizen / resident, then you will never realize your error.
Apparently you wish to remain in the socialist / usury world and refuse to look up at the heavens in all their glory. Don't blame the secular law for your error in judgment.
I am quite fond of the protections for private property that the law offers to the owners thereof. In fact, most if not all states have anti-Peonage laws. Government is not allowed to confiscate all your property so that you become a peon and a public charge - at least not of the private people who aren't socialists. Check your own state for anti peonage laws. For example, Georgia Constitution exempts 1600 dollars worth of property from ALL judicial and government claims. (Ga. Const. 1:1:26)
IF you plan accordingly, and bought your land for 21 silver dollars, your automobile for 21 silver dollars, and so forth, you can be relatively judgment proof... up to 1600 dollars (lawful money, not frns)
God Bless the USA!