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Old 03-19-2008, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mikah2k
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From what I read, passports are not required to enter the United States, and homemade docs are sufficiently legitimate for id during travel in United States.
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I hadnt' read the case for over a year. My computer crashed before I could correct the error. Indeed, the case was about Robert Fox being arrested for forgery. The point was the case was about him being acused of that forging or counterfeitting a passport of a country part of the United Nations might have been against the U.S. code. You cannot forge or counterfeit your own documents--you simply make them.

Memory came to mind of reports from some Christians using similar travel documents and found that when they traveled to a particular Spanish speaking Country, they had no resistance from border guards who saw Christian references in the passport document. However, U.S. border guards would sneer and adamantly refuse to acknowledge any value to the travel document.

Also, the Apostille Convention from what I recall was mainly brought about by an international association of notaries. It has to do with ancient Hague Conventions which technically predates the United Nations (1899 was the year of the first Hague Conventions). Also, the Apostille is about diplomatic legalisation it is not a mere notarization. Typically legalisation required one to go through diplomatic channels to get a document notarized in a foreign country. If you had a document notarized in Germany and you wanted it equally notarized in Australia you put the document through diplomatic channels. The Apostille Convention provide a means to streamline legalisation without the traditional legalisation.

Truth is the Apostilled document is treated as thought it were notarized in each Apostille Country. For non-Apostille Countries, there is traditional legalisation. To knowledge, the Apostille Convention doesnt really have much to do with the United Nations. However, teh World Passport Authority is perhaps issued in compliance with the ICAO (Chicago Convention) which may very well be a United Nations entity.

Also consider that Canadian provinces which do not have Apostille, offer authentication or traditional authentication or legalisation through diplomatic channels.
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