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Originally Posted by Shoonra
I don't see fraud in this -- nobody obtained anything of value.
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Willful intention to deceive and, therefore, to defraud. Fraud also creates damages and injury.
It is possible to define fraud as any trick or artifice whereby a person by means of misrepresentation creates an erroneous impression and thereby induces another person to suffer damage. The misrepresentation may result from a false statement, concealment, or a nondisclosure.
In addition to this the SSA has plenty to gain futuristicly. Not all fraud nets immediate ill-gotten profit. The corporation has obtained a new tax payer to target.
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Originally Posted by Shoonra
I don't see identity theft either.
And so far I don't see forgery.
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SSN is strictly voluntary and cannot be forced upon people at gunpoint. If pjmellon did not voluntarily "REQUEST" a SSN for his child then there was a forged "REQUEST" written in his name. Or do hospitals carry guns and force SSN's on babies against the will of the parents?
Two words: voluntary & request. If pjmellon didn't do it, who did?
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Originally Posted by Shoonra
In any case, I've never heard of a successful lawsuit over the SSN registration of a baby, but maybe you'll be the first.
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Have you heard any unsuccessful lawsuits over the SSN registration of a baby?