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Originally Posted by netwrkranger
... your brief there has really shaken me up...lol.
I am having to rethink many of ideas that I've currently held. It is also allowing me to make more ties between various areas. New theories are developing which I will need to vet out.
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netwrkranger;
Kindly forgive me for that... only when people reach bedrock can they start building lasting foundation. I touch upon this bedrock by bringing to light the "state of Nature":
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Originally Posted by Law of Nations
§ 4. In what light nations or states are to be considered.
Nations being composed of men naturally free and independent, and who, before the establishment of civil societies, lived together in the state of nature, — Nations, or sovereign states, are to be considered as so many free persons living together in the state of nature.
It is a settled point with writers on the natural law, that all men inherit from nature a perfect liberty and independence, of which they cannot be deprived without their own consent. In a State, the individual citizens do not enjoy them fully and absolutely, because they have made a partial surrender of them to the sovereign. But the body of the nation, the State, remains absolutely free and independent with respect to all other men, and all other Nations, as long as it has not voluntarily submitted to them.
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Nice to see rangers can keep their footing during earth quakes... all part of the training I suppose.
You might find value in this prespective: The Office of Citizen is like a toolbox.
Various types of work require different toolboxes.
For example, you may have a toolbox that contains all the tools to do electrical work, or carpentry, or masonry, or surgery, or computer repair. We could even call a briefcase a type of toolbox and consider the vast array of different types of work were the people doing it carry a briefcase, and examine the contents of their briefcases and find broad categories to qualify each briefcase with like we did with the toolboxes.
The toolbox is not a bad thing. It is simply a question of usefulness. Is it useful or not?
If it is useful, is it useful in the particular work you are currently doing?
Is there a need to take your electrical toolbox on a walk to the store or swimming?
If you are not going to go voting or preforming some other public function, do you need to take your citizenship with you?
If you are not a government employee, do you need to appear in persona of Citizen? If so, other then voting, when?
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Originally Posted by netwrkranger
I am also stumbling upon information that I had considered or thought about such as peace officers, justice of the peace, and jural societies.
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I run into that as well. There is what those terms should mean, and arguably did and still do mean. Then there is what they have been distorted into meaning over the ages.
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police officer" would be better read as "
policy officer" as they tend to enforce "public policy" more then keep the peace... tho I have to say I do know many that are good hearted people that are simply being mislead by corrupt attorneys (and just to have it said, I make a distinction between attorneys and lawyers - even if many of them don't).
As to jural society, take another look at the definition of "society":
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SOCIETY. A society is a number of persons united together by mutual consent, in order to deliberate, determine, and act jointly for some common purpose.
2. Societies are either incorporated and known to the law, or unincorporated, of which the law does not generally take notice.
3. By civil society is usually understood a state, (q.v.) a nation, (q.v.) or a body politic. (q.v.) Rutherf. Inst. c. 1 and 2.
4. In the civil law, by society is meant a partnership. Inst. 3, 26; Dig. 17, 2 Code, 4, 37.
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Note that not all societies are incorporated. The society called "We the People" would be one such society... tho this society did incorporate the society called the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to protect and serve it, yet "We the People", of whom the United States of America came from, are not an incorporated society.
Another good example of jural societies that are not "incorporated" would be many of the particular religions (tho some have chosen to incorporate, like the Catholic Church, for example).
Sincerely,
Christopher Theodore: Rhodes
P.S.
You might also consider the topics of "self employment" and/or "independent contracting".
Many people run into the stumbling blocks of the misinformed population regarding various jobs and such (they try to require you to be a US citizen to exercise your unalienable right to work, for example). Those are 2 very viable options to sidestep those problems.