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Originally Posted by Shoonra
I gather they don't teach history in the public schools anymore.
Prior to Henry VIII the Pope had considerably more temporal power than now. This was aided by a notorious document called the Donation of Constantine, which pretended that the Emperor Constantine had, in the fourth century, made the Pope his heir and successor -- this document surfaced around the 9th or 10th century and was used by the Church to argue that every European king was a direct subordinate of the pope (this was finally proven to be a fraud by Latin grammarian Lorenzo Valla, circa 1470).
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I see they dont teach anything in law school at all.....other than bovinius excrementum. You are, nonetheless, a magister bovinius excrementum par excellence when it comes to tossing a red herring into a topic.
I am aware of how the Papal States came into being, fraud and deceit. Roman ponitffs have never failed to stoop to new lows when it came to asserting dominance in temporal affairs. One only need to read The Power and Primacy of the Pope which comes from the Lutheran Assembly of Smalcald of 1537 to see how the papacy viewed itself. ....
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Originally Posted by Assembly of Smalcald 1537
Now, it is manifest that Christ was not sent to bear the sword or possess a worldly kingdom [rule in a worldly fashion], as He Himself says, John 18, 36: My kingdom is not of this world. And Paul says, 2 Cor. 1, 24: Not for that we have dominion over your faith; and 2 Cor. 10, 4: The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, etc.
Accordingly, that Christ in His passion is crowned with thorns and led forth to be derided in royal purple, this signified that in the future, after His spiritual kingdom was despised, i.e., the Gospel was suppressed, another kingdom of a worldly kind would be set up [in its place] with the pretext of ecclesiastical power. Therefore the Constitution of Boniface VIII and the chapter Omnes, Dist. 22 and similar opinions which contend that the Pope is by divine right the ruler of the kingdoms of the world, are [utterly] false and godless. From this persuasion horrible darkness has been brought into the Church, and after that also great commotions have arisen in Europe. For the ministry of the Gospel was neglected, the knowledge of faith and the spiritual kingdom became extinct, Christian righteousness was supposed to be that external government which the Pope had established.
Next, the Popes began to seize upon kingdoms for themselves; they transferred kingdoms, they vexed with unjust excommunications and wars the kings of almost all nations in Europe, but especially the German emperors, sometimes for the purpose of occupying cities of Italy, at other times for the purpose of reducing to subjection the bishops of Germany, and wresting from the emperors the conferring of episcopates. Yea, in the Clementines it is even written: When the empire is vacant, the Pope is the legitimate successor.
Thus the Pope has not only usurped dominion, contrary to Christ's command, but has also tyrannically exalted himself above all kings. And in this matter the deed itself is not to be reprehended as much as it is to be detested, that he assigns as a pretext the authority of Christ; that he transfers the keys to a worldly government; that he binds salvation to these godless and execrable opinions, when he says it is necessary to salvation for men to believe that this dominion belongs to him by divine right.
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Nice try Shoonra, but your attempt to divert attention away from your beloved papacy fails. The bulls of the popes condemn them. By your words you are justified, by your words you are condemned. The kings of the midievel Roman Empire finally grew weary of the whore (Rev 17) riding their backs and burnt the bitch with fire! Irregardless of one's eschatological stance on that Biblical text, the principle remains unchanged.
It is also interesting to note that along with King Henry VIII's actions, the Reformation happened during this time and was also a large part of promoting the sovereignty of individual nations over a papal New Roman Order.