[aksis]

In the thread titled "The Office of Citizen" a point was reached where the question of "What is the rank of the Office of "Citizen" in relation to other Offices of the political corporation UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?"

The question was provoked by a minor contraversy regarding a quote from a couple of Supreme Court Justices, to briefly summarize:

Originally Posted by aksis

The source is neither Brandeis nor Frankfurter, nor the University of Iowa... and we have been pointing to the Constitutions and the definitions all along.

Many people have said that Citizen is the highest Office. Saying this is not akin to stating that the world, is in fact, flat... far from it.

The determination of the exact rank of the Office of Citizen in relation to other Offices has been quite a thorn in my foot.

I had opened the discussion in that thread, but seeing that it needs it's own thread have imported the beginnings of the discussion to this thread:

Originally Posted by aksis

Truth be told, it is quite likely that a few of the Justices have said that at one time or another as it's not so far fetched, but it's nice to see you noticed it Shoonra. At this point, I find that it's rank is unarguably circumstantial...

Thus, some discussion regarding the subject matter of the "rank of the Office of Citizen" is most defiantly in order... what will a just and reasonable consideration bring to light?

To begin, I would have to say, I see that Office being akin to the position of an 'intern', and I believe elementary principles of wisdom and common sense will prove this to be the fact of the matter.

People suggesting we put the underdeveloped at the helm of our corporation[s] simply because they are joint-heirs and a co-owner are silly in my opinion... and I can think of no other position in the body politic were people who want to enter into public service can get the basic "on the job" training that would be needed before holding other Offices.

Anyone care to point out the title of the position where people who want to enter into public service can get the basic "on the job" training that would be needed before holding other Offices?

On that note, when learning to fly a plane (private or public), one is NOT put in the ****pit of an $18.8 million dollar, fully armed F-16 or a Jumbo Jet full of people... they typically learn to fly in a Piper Cub.

From my point of view, the Office of Citizen is like the Piper Cub.

Further, the general trend in nearly every corporation that I am aware of is that one must work their way up through the ranks. So again, can anyone present a more fitting "entry level" position in any State other then the Office of Citizen?

I have obviously cast this office in the light I have based on the prima facia observations that I presented, and thankfully for sake of discussion, Jerry Carlos (in the thread "What are your office hours?") casts it in quite a different light:

Brandeis, declared that this office is the most important office in a Democracy. Which would translate into a meaning that this office is 'more important' than the office of the "President". It is required to be so, due to the fact that the President would not hold his position without the consent of the holders of that 'most important office', the 'Office of Citizen'. The power that the President wields, is due to the TRUST of the holders of the "office of citizen".

Because of this TRUST that he has accepted, he is also placed in the position of TRUSTEE of the Office which he holds, and the sanctity of the American way of life, and to the upholding and protection of the Constitution for the united States of America.

Due to the fact that those voting members of this society are holding the office of citizen, they retain this positional holding as long as they are registered as voting members. The responsibilities of the office of citizen (in regard to voting and all of its' intricacies) does not close when the holder of the office walks away from the voting booth after casting his/her vote. It is a 24/7 job, requiring that the office holder be vigilant in his/her watch or tour of duty as an office holder. This means that you must always be alert to the possible violations of the various election laws, and watchful of the men and women that have been placed in an office of TRUST.

Other office holders such as Attorneys, Judges, Legislators, and even those in simple administrative positions or executive positions within the various agencies of government are beholden to the holders of that 'most important office'. As Brandeis has declared that the 'office of citizen' is "the most important office in a Democracy", then it is only reasonable to conclude that the holders of 'less important offices' are required to be subservient to the holders of that highest (most important) office; the Office of Citizen. Thus their title as Public Servants.

Viewing the current situation in America, it is only obvious that most holders of the office of citizen, have fallen asleep during their vigil. They have allowed the holders of the offices of TRUST to commandeer the controls of this mighty vessel known as the united States of America. It is up to each of us to sound the alarm with a mighty blast to awaken the minds of those others that have fallen into this deep slumber of passive attitude. While some are sleeping, others are aware of the inverted situation, but are mindful of the fact that the public trust offices are armed to the hilt and any action of the holders of the office of citizen to correct the situation would likewise be met with armed resistance, resulting in loss of personal freedom, loss of property, and in some cases the loss of life. Indeed, it is a precarious situation, but still a situation that must be corrected. Freedom is not Free.

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

Hopefully this will stimulate some discussion and some fact finding regarding the rank of the Office of "Citizen", as the ultimate goal is to dis-cover the truth of the matter at hand.

Magnanimously,

Christopher Theodore: Rhodes

P.S.


Jerry;

I hope you don't mind me importing your post here, it just seemed to be very fitting for this discussion.

I will respond in my next post, but am a little pressed for time at the moment. I look forward to the discussion.


P.P.S.

People;

Also note, do not get hung up on "CaSe" of the terms, the title of the [O/o]ffice is: "Citizen", but it has been being refered to as "office of citizen", "Office of Citizen", "office of Citizen" and for my part, I am intending NO distinction between the terms based on capiltization of particular words. In the Constitution, both the term "Office" and "Citizen" are capitalized.

Ergo, in the original Brief I wrote "Office of Citizen".