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Jerry;

To get on track with the topic of this thread: "What are your Office hours?"

The answer to that depends upon the office.

The responsibilities of the office of citizen (in regard to voting and all of its' intricacies) does not close when the holder of the office walks away from the voting booth after casting his/her vote. It is a 24/7 job, requiring that the office holder be vigilant in his/her watch or tour of duty as an office holder. This means that you must always be alert to the possible violations of the various election laws, and watchful of the men and women that have been placed in an office of TRUST.

I must object, this presumes facts not in evidence.

Further, I don't find any Office to be a 24/7 position. You made mention of that regarding Judges in another thread and all I could think about is how unhealthy that would be for people, on the job 24/7??? No.

Further, when 'off duty' (a very common concept), the people holding what ever Office ascend to their proper place, as sovereigns in their correct capacity and joint-heirs to the original estate... Our equals... just another one of the People.


David Merrill and many others have made the point over and over about the various ways people "appear in [US] person", the example I like the best is the simple act of pulling out the 'STATE' Identification as it is one very common way people step into Office all the time... and thereby become subject to the juris diction.

Unless people are preforming a public function, like voting, there is no reason one should be using their Citizenship for anything... while at the polls keep in mind that you are in Office and should conduct your self accordingly.

Also, consider the difference between a man/woman 'traveling' via their 'right of Way' in their 'private property' vs. a 'Citizen' 'licensed' to 'drive' a 'motor vehicle' 'registered' in the 'STATE'.

Next consider working... unless it's a public function, there is no need to be in Office, but if you're in Office, wouldn't this be acting in the capacity of a 'federal employee'? And isn't a federal employee's 'income' subject to income tax?

If being summoned before Administrative Hearings, to appear in person, to answer for you actions, were you acting in an Official capacity, and can it be proven that you were? Isn't Admiralty the venue that actions involving State Officers would proceed?



People;

While strugling with 'knowing thy self (identity) and being thy master (sovereignty)', do keep this in the forefront of your mind:

The owners/co-owners of corporation[s] have no obligation to become 'officers' or 'employees' of their corporation[s], but can if they like.

Also, as this is a "political corporation" we should/could use these term "Sovereign" rather then 'co-owner', but People seem to have an easier time grasping the concept of being a "co-owner" of a corporation then the concept of being the Sovereign of a State, yet once they can see they are co-owners and that the STATE is a political corporation, it is just another baby step for them to ascend to their inherent and rightful place.

Magnanimously,

Christopher Theodore: Rhodes

P.S.

Jerry;

The last Post in the "Office of Citizen" thread was the opening of a discussion regarding the "Rank of the Office of Citizen" in relation to the other Officers of the State[s] (I started this thread for discussion: "The Rank of the Office of Citizen - A discussion" of that subject matter).

The bulk of your initial post was very in line with this and cast the Office in an almost diametrically opposed light to what I had presented. I think it will make for a nice discussion regarding the "Rank of the Office of Citizen" so I imported it there, minus the opening paragraph... and the mills grind swift and fine...

On another note,

While not how I would have worded it, this is true enough:

In recent discussion on this forum, it was determined by acceptance of a presentation, the fact that each voting member of this society, are also holding the "Office of Citizen."

I flat out disagreed (and still do), with this:

This 'private' office was first announced by the late Supreme Court Justice Brandeis. (See signature line for the quotation of Justice Brandeis)

The reason being is this:

Since "[t]he United States of America are a corporation" [UNITED STATE OF AMERICA, 5. - bouvier], and specifically, a "Public corporation, which are also called political, and sometimes municipal corporations, are those which have for their object the government of a portion of the state;" [CORPORATION, 4. - bouvier].... THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE OFFICE OF A PUBLIC CORPORATION CAN BE "PRIVATE".

Why do you insist on holding to this idea that the Office is "private"? I can't recognize it as such, how can you?

Or are you referring to something other then the Office of Citizen created at Art. I, Sec. 2. of the Constitution?

Further, the point of origin of the term is not a quote from a Justice, it is the Constitution[s] of the political corporations of the several united States of America and of the United States of America.

It's rank is still being researched...




P.P.S.

Originally Posted by FreeFromContract

Nonetheless, the statement is in error, as the USA was founded as a constitutional republic, not a democracy (which I believe it was Jefferson who dispense of such as being nothing more than mob rule.)

FreeFromContract,

I find a "democracy" is a type of "republic":

Originally Posted by Bouvier's

GOVERNMENT...

3. Governments are also divided into monarchical and republican; among the monarchical states may be classed empires, kingdoms, and others; in these the sovereignty resides in, a single individual. There are some monarchical states under the name of duchies, counties, and the like. Republican states are those where the sovereignty is in several persons. These are subdivided into aristocracies, where the power is exercised by a few persons of the first rank in the state; and democracies, which are those governments where the common people may exercise the highest powers. 1 Bouv. Inst. n. 20. See Aristocracy; Democracy; Despotism; Monarchy; Theocracy. ...