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Originally Posted by kothjjh
This is a better explanation as you have it under your link.
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I am working on a better brief by the way. It is taking a little time and I was hoping for more discussion in that thread regarding that/this topic, but the main facts are disclosed and once the fact of the several S
TATES and the U
NITED S
TATES OF A
MERICA being "
political corporations" is revealed (and they always have been - and the Colonies were all "
municipal corporations"), then the Constitutions are seen for what they are,
Articles of Incorporation. The People are the co-owners.
The reason "Citizen" is capitalized also becomes obvious, it is an Office, and therefore, a
proper noun.
Also note, we're still looking into it's "rank" in relation to the other Offices... that discussion is in this thread:
The rank of the Office of Citizen - A Discussion
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Originally Posted by kothjjh
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 > § 9
§ 9. Vessel of the United States defined
The term “vessel of the United States”, as used in this title, means a vessel belonging in whole or in part to the United States, or any citizen thereof, or any corporation created by or under the laws of the United States, or of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof.
I am reading this and am not sure. It can be read as a vessel belongs to a citizen, and not a vessel of the United States is a citizen thereof.
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Yep. I read that verbiage thus:
The term “vessel of the United States”, as used in this title, means a vessel belonging in whole or in part to[:][1)] the United States, or
[2)] any citizen thereof, or
[3)] any corporation created by or under the laws of the United States, or of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof.
I don't find it calling a Citizen a vessel in that particular code.
Further, it
is not a definition of the term “
vessel" it
is a definition of the term “
vessel of the United States”.
Is "vessel" defined in the code? If not, here is a snip from Black's Law 5th and then the common usage of the word, and there is a definition in Webster's that would reasonably explain the the "ship" in "Citizen
ship":
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Originally Posted by Blacks Law 5th
[T]he term "vessel," in admiralty law, is not limited to ships or vessels engaged in commerce.
St. Hilarie Moye v. Henderson, C.A.Ark., 496 F.2d 973, 979
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Originally Posted by The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48
Vessel \Ves"sel\, n. [OF. vessel, veissel, vaissel, vaissiel, F.
vaisseau, fr. L. vascellum, dim. of vasculum, dim. of vas a
vessel. Cf. {Vascular}, {Vase}.]
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3. Fig.: A person regarded as receiving or containing
something; esp. (Script.), one into whom something is
conceived as poured, or in whom something is stored for
use; as, vessels of wrath or mercy.
[1913 Webster]
He is a chosen vessel unto me. --Acts ix. 15.
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[The serpent] fit vessel, fittest imp of fraud, in
whom
To enter. --Milton.
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As an Officer, it should be clear why the suits involving Citizens are in Admiralty, much like a Court Martial regarding the military, an Administrative Hearing being the civil side of Admiralty regarding
those members of the
public;
body politic.
Magnanimously,
Christopher Theodore: Rhodes
P.S.
I am neither an "attorney", nor do I want to be.