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Originally Posted by gldskr

...you entered the cauldron of your own volition, no one pointed a gun to your head.
gldskr

As far as having, or not having "a gun to your head:"

Economic sanctions are extreme-ly powerful tactical weapons in warfare.

You, yourself have successfully and totally insulated yourself and/or overcome the entire business of war?

And if mere insulation, is it total, and, if so, what have you ultimately gained?

Remedy?

There is no "gun to YOUR head," whatsoever?

And you can verifiably show this as fact?

From what I have observed, the "credit" (debt) scam is a very important series of tactical maneuvers in ongoing brutal and deadly serious domestic (and imperial) class-warfare, instigated, and perpetuated by oligarchy seeking hegemony.

Do you deny that war?

What then, is "the cauldron?"

As far as one having "entered the cauldron of your own volition," howso?

Were you, yourself born and raised outside "the cauldron?"

Lucky you then.

NOTE: This is an unofficial transcript of Dr. Paul's speech on the floor of the House of Representatives on June 28...

...this bill will probably be brought up under suspension.

It will be expected to be passed easily.

It probably will be.

And it is just more war propaganda, just more preparation to go to war against Iran.

This resolution, H.J. Res 362[listed as H. Con. Res 362 online] is a virtual war resolution.

It is the declaration of tremendous sanctions, and boycotts and embargoes on the Iranians.

It is very, very severe.

Let me just read what is involved if this bill passes and what we're telling the President what he must do:

This demands that the President impose stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains and cargo entering or departing Iran, and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials.

This is closing down Iran.

Where do we have this authority?

Where do we get the moral authority?

Where do we get the international legality for this?

Where do we get the Constitutional authority for this?

This is what we did for ten years before we went into Iraq.

We starved children

("We" is not "us.")

"Our" children, among certain sectors of the domestic population, are subject to the same or similar tactics of warfare, with the same outcome.

I can travel 45 minutes or so in Chicago, and produce similar or worse examples of the fruits of "economic sanction" tactics of war as depicted above.

When warred upon, where is "your" "choice?"

To rather condescendingly hold one's own knowledge, and success in gaining their own personal independence (or perception thereof), over one or more other(s), is, perhaps, but insulation, rather than remedy, and "independence."

Is "divide and conquer," but another (demonstrably) very powerful tactic of war?

Originally Posted by mnchicago

Saturday 5 July 2008

For many, if not most, for a myriad of social/economic/political circumstances, situations, reasons, etc., such as very prevalent and predatory corporatism, for example, as a practical matter of survival, this fact is often overwhelmingly inapplicable.

The SSN "requirement" which is "not" a "requirement" is now an all too often seemingly overwhelming virulent obsession of ever burgeoning corporatism.

Do you belittle those still, seemingly, or, in fact, actually, caught in a conundrum that you, as applicable to, and, for, yourself, have apparently totally dissolved?

Do you perceive and admit of classes of men, women, and children, according to sets of criteria?

Do you station yourself in one accordingly?

The latter is but mythological quasi-truism, much like "freedom is not free."

Hardly true.

Rights are inherent, by nature.

(And "freedom" IS free. otherwise it could not, rationally, be named as free-dom--it is Liberty, which, perhaps, begets free-dom, that comes at a price--usually Blood.)

They may be warred upon, trampled, and denied, but they still are rights, otherwise they would be called (and are, perhaps) by different names.

Assertion and self-defense in war are each different matters.

Did you assert or defend, in order to real-ize, and/or, preserve your "rights?"

And are you certain as to which?

And if so, how is it so?

That seems simplistic, as far more is involved then "credit."

What do you mean by "credit?"

What do you mean by "independence?"

Choice?

That someone is "complaining" is, perhaps, only YOUR perspective of dialogue.

What is that comment about?

You seem to have frequently made claims to having enjoyed success in remedy through utilizing certain strategies you have outlined, however, I have never seen any evidence or proof that what you post actually "works" or has worked for you, yourself.

Again, I ask: you, yourself have successfully and totally insulated yourself and/or overcome the entire business of war?