01-17-2005, 03:59 AM
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Ice,
You stated the following:
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Jerseee,
Regarding the first post... U.S. corp. does not "recognize" the united States of America as a foreign government... but this definition covers the grounds for the united States of America as being a foreign government to the U.S.
Don't ya think?
And the post underneath that kinda supports that in view of the amendment adding "American national" in the list of foreign or internationally protected people.
Don't ya think?
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With respect to your first point, here's the definition of United States according to the code:
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 > § 5
§ 5. United States defined
The term “United States”, as used in this title in a territorial sense, includes all places and waters, continental or insular, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, except the Canal Zone.
I find it interesting that you said, "...but this definition covers the grounds..." since the code refers to this particular definition of United States as being one "...in territorial sense,..." Anytime you see the word "territorial" being used in this context, go ahead and substitute "jurisdictional" in it place. (This is more a comment for readers at large. I know you know this.) Or, as in the case of this particular definition, skip over the part of the sentence which reads, "as used in this title in a territorial sense" and it'll mean the same thing.
The use of the word territorial adds nothing to the definition. It is purposely there to obfuscate and confuse, imho. As my sixth grade teacher used to say, "don't add words that add nothing to the meaning". She usually made this comment when someone tried to stretch a 300 word essay about "what I did for my summer vacation" into a 500 word essay. Well, I guess we know where those kids wound up working!
Bottom line, the answer is: Yes, absolutely.
The answer to the second question is also "Yes", particularly when you read the definition of “national of the United States”:
TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER I > § 1101
§ 1101. Definitions
(a)As used in this chapter—
(22) The term “national of the United States” means
a citizen of the United States, or a person who, though not a
citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the
United States.
B.
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