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So, what you're saying is that Ice should gather up all the FREE STUFF he can find, organize it and hit the road doing seminars at $500.00 a pop selling what could be had for FREE...



And that would be just fine and dandy with you?


why, yes, ice, that would be fine and dandy by me.& doesn't mean that i'd necessarily pay to see you, but you have every right to gather information, etc., and collect a fee from those willing to give it to you for the priviledge.& you did, after all, work to collect that information and present in a fashion that makes it easy for people to assimilate.


just like if i were to build a wall for you.& i can go and collect the plentiful stone around your yard, build your wall per your spec, and then ask for compensation.& what's wrong with that?


with regards to "free" information, heck, colleges and universities assess educational fees to disseminate easily digestible versions of information that, for the most part, could be gotten for "free."



Do you know what really amazes me???... and this will get you to thinking... people would pay that kind of fee to hear Ice speak... and Ice can't tell them anything that they don't already know... or have the ability to find out quickly and at no cost.some people, ice, may NOT know and would benefit from your speaking.& particularly if you explain things and share your experiences, etc.



That's what this forum is all about.& If a member needs info, the question is posted and a member that can offer assistance is able to offer it up.


and that's why i'm here.


You say that some don't have the aptitude to be programmers... is that implication that some don't have the aptitude to be Sovereign??& If someone does not want to know the "ins and outs" of protecting and guarding their freedom, then they don't want to be Sovereign all that bad... do they?there are some who wish to be lead around by the nose rather than learn to be free.& now, if everyone started off life KNOWING how to be free, i doubt everyone would behave as they currently are (speaking of the general populus).



Allow me to give you an example of just how easy some of this stuff is.& I posted a letter a Sovereign received from a county sheriff in regards to a claim of a tax owed.& Not very many ideas have come from the membership as to how to respond to this letter... but some of the most important answers to the question I posed are all over this forum.



Hint: It can all&be as easy as asking a question.



Now, why would I want to pay hundreds of dollars to hear some long winded explanation that boils down to "ask the question"????some people, ice, don't know to "ask the question" let alone which question to ask.& few were taught this kind of thinking from the start.& so for them such a route may be necessary.& freedom comes with a price, always.



There are a few things that I would pay for... but they all deal with LAW AND THE COURTS.& I am staying far away from "redemption" -- in particular any process that includes writing "accepted for value" or some such nonsense on "presentments".& If you want to pay for something that is worthwhile... pay for an education in law and the courts -- put yourself on&a level playing field with an attorney.i neither agree nor disagree with your statement - your choice was to go that way.& some may not think that the route for them.& i believe there is more than one correct route of things.



If&any of the&so-called "experts" really want to do something for this country and the people you would see fees that are much more reasonable.& But you won't... because they are in it for the money.& What you will see is the price of such seminars going up as more and more people become involved in the quest for freedom.i agree.& law of supply and demand.



jon, if you got your info for free... then you're one up on those that have had to pay for it.



again, i agree.


I put as much as I can right here in this site, making it available to all the members.& Everything that may be of assistance to others will end up right here... available for free.& And you will find that the same info is being sold by the PAYtriots with a whopper price tag on it.& Please note FNM's above post which also points out that fact.i agree because i know from personal experience.& which is why i'm super happy that this site is here and glad those with knowledge are willing to share in this manner.



"Freely I have received...."


and freely shall i give as i can, either in learning or as having learned and know.


jon