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Old 08-17-2005, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BoyntonStu
If only the German Nazis had behaved as well as the Israelis called "Nazis", there would not have been a Holocaust and 6,000,000 dead Jews. Each family being evacuated from Gaza is given $250,000 and a new place to live. They are not being taken in cattle cars to death 'camps' and ovens.

This is another example of the misuse of language. Your comments do not fit the actions.

Thanks for the remote C&P news story.


stU

You are welcome and I am glad you enjoyed it.

My statements were about the capibilities of the military, and I see you didn't disagree with anything I had to say. Thanks for your agreement Stu.

And my quote about the Nazis was not my statement, it was a quote from the article I provided the link to, so cool it.

Here is an update on how the 'eviction' is going down today:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4159958.stm

However, your apparent position on this matter brings up some interesting questions on my part:

What is your source on the $250,000 and place to live for the evicted settlers?

Let me get this straight, you are supporting the force initiated by a political body against these individuals, ripping them from their homes against their will?

What is the different between this and ripping a child from his parents, against the will of both the child and parents, and relocating it to wherever the party doing the kidnapping desires?

The real issue is, "WHAT GIVES THE POLITICAL BODY THE RIGHT TO INITIATE THIS FORCE AGAINST THE INDIVIDUAL AND HIS PROPERTY?"

Is it the payoff? If so, then ANYTHING the political body wants do to the individuals is OK, so long as there is a nice payoff involved.

Then what next? Rape is permissible by members/agents of the political body as long as the child/woman or family is provided with a handsome fee afterwards? How about murder? The same rules apply.

A quote from the BBC update today: 'AP news agency described how one young woman was dragged away by female soldiers shouting: "I don't want to, I don't want to."'

Sounds like what a rape victim would scream - hey Stu, put yourself in the shoes of those soldiers. Would you actually drag these people out of their homes? Or do you just stand by and try to justify the force initiated by others because it is not as evil as the holocaust and/or there is a payoff?

Don't like the "payoff" option for justification of what is going down today? Me either... so let's forget about the payoff. Forget about the money. Whether the homeowner, rape victim, etc., is provided currency or not, it does not change the fact that they were forced to do an act against their will by a party using force as its primary means of motivation.

These settlers were made an offer they cannot refuse. Do you really think like a mobster stu?

Don't you believe in the property rights of the individual stu? Or do you believe the political body owns everything?

If the political body does not own everything, then where did it get the authority to remove these people from their property?

Did the political body have authority because that is what the majority wanted? Is it mob rule that you support stu?

Where did the political body get the authority stu?

Why do you think the settlers were disarmed first? I am certain if these settlers had not been disarmed, today would have gone down much differently, or not at all. Kind of like the holocuast.

If you support this move by the political body of Israel, you would support quite a few other so******t ideas, such as unbridled eminent domain, search and seizure, any anything else touted as being for the good of society that requires forced sacrifice by the individual.

And what will you do with your $250,000 when you are relocated to a location of THEIR choice? (3rd world country, ghetto, prison camp, etc)

Hey, it is for the good of society, you won't mind will you Stu?
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