[weishaupt1776]

The following is a debate on a forum regarding the language and intent mainly of Clause 2 of the 14th Amendment

This has been posted before

Amendment XIV

• Section 1.All persons born or naturalized in the United States . . .are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

So the presumption gets stuck on you from the git go because the writing of Section 1 allegedly naturalizes all people in the several United States
at birth according to their opinion.
A new political (and governmental) system is created by this written instrument called The Fourteenth Amendment Section 1 and 2 are inseparable keep section 1 in mind for the following:

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  Amendment XIV
  Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State . . .

All people in the several states are included for representation.

• . . .'"But when the right to vote"

"But when" indicates a change from sentence 1 directly above. Towards the end of sentence 2 you will see that the the representation is going to be reduced.

• ". . . at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State."

This is LOADED.
At the end states "such male citizens".
Who are "such male citizens" ?
The male inhabitants that are citizens of the United States engaged in the participation in rebellion, or other crime.
So what is it really saying thus far ?
The right to vote is denied EXCEPT FOR participation in rebellion, or other crime.
Now, what do those inhabitants do?

• such male citizens will bear to the whole number of citizens"

Bear means:

• to effect in a harmful or adverse way and to exert force

The whole number of citizens includes all persons as mentioned in sentence 1; or inhabitants as noted in sentence 2.


Notice that right to vote is going to be abridged or denied.
When is the right abridged or denied?
Abridged or denied WITH WHAT EXCEPTION?
Participation in rebellion, and other crimes.
All people in any given state are
represented if they participate in rebellion or other crimes; and the
citizens that do not participate are not represented (however are still
deemed US citizens).


How can one be represented if he can not vote?
Do the board of directors of GM represent me?
Can I vote in their corporation and be told what to do by it?
Can a person that gets convicted of a felony vote in
today's system?
The formula takes care of this, does it not?

The words "But when" mean next to nothing as they are just changing
what was established in sentence 1.
The relevant key words are "SUCH CITIZENS"
and what they do and the outcome of their actions.
Moreover, why would this be put into a constitution to take care of people that participated in the so-called Civil War... They have all been dead for over one hundred years.

SIMPLE PUT: THIS IS A COMPLEX FORMULA TO ENFRANCHISE US CITIZENS AND DISENFRANCHISE STATE CITIZENS AND CREATE THE PRESUMPTION THAT YOU ARE A US CITIZEN.

Now read Section 1-2 again:
U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment

Fourteenth Amendment - Rights Guaranteed Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process and Equal Protection

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

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  Thirteenth Amendment - Slavery And Involuntary Servitude
  
  Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Okay, back to the 14th Amendment sec 2 with all of the garbage taken out:

• " . . . the right to vote at any election . . . is denied . . . to all male inhabitants . . . except for participation in rebellion, or other crime"

So, to have the right to vote is a crime, therefore if you have the right to vote as a U.S. Citizen, then you are "legally" considered to be a slave involuntarily indentured because you are participating in rebellion against you true dejure governmental system.

Congratulations - You're an enemy, belligerent, insurgent, denizen to the dejure governmental system.

OH- and involuntarily enslaved to boot cuz you are being re-presented