[weishaupt1776]

Here is Vivus's reply

Originally Posted by Weis

"... address just the syntax only of the 14th Amendment and the
analysis of it in between(.) Do this without going to your precious
annotated statutes and saying, well there;s (sic) no case law for
that here. " Address how looney this is…""

Originally Posted by Vivus

Glad to oblige, & in Emphasis for clarification

Originally Posted by Weis

Amendment XIV
Section 1.All persons born or naturalized in the United
States . . .

Originally Posted by Vivus

(Whoa, Significant Subject Matter DELETED with the mere use of [...]
Looney Ineptitude?
Or Blatant Interlucation necessary to Propagate a Lie?)
(Permit us to `Repatriate' to the Constitution those Significant
words: and SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF ) are citizens of the
United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Originally Posted by Weis

"So the presumption

Originally Posted by Vivus

(OPERATIVE WORD being "presumption")

Originally Posted by Weis

"So the presumptiongets stuck on you from the git (sic) go because the writing of Section 1 allegedly

Originally Posted by Vivus

(OPERATIVE WORD being "allegedly")

[quote=Weis]"So the presumptiongets stuck on you from the git (sic) go because the writing of Section 1 allegedly naturalizes all people in the several United States at birth according to their

Originally Posted by Vivus

(Folks PROMOTING the Seminar)

Originally Posted by Weis

opinion."

Originally Posted by Weis

"A new political (and governmental) system is created by this
written instrument called The Fourteenth Amendment..."

Originally Posted by Vivus

WHOA! Looney Assumption, or Insidious Interpolation of Propaganda to encourage attending a Seminar profiting its unscrupulous Promoters?

Originally Posted by Weis

Amendment XIV
"Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several
States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole
number of persons in each State . ." ".All people in the several
states are included for representation."

Originally Posted by Vivus

Uh Specifically INCLUDING the recently Emancipated Slaves WHOSE RIGHTS the 14th Amendment was Guaranteeing had better be RESPECTED by the Defeated Confederate States IF They Knew what was Good for Them, regardless if the Former Slaves had Yet to Establish State
Citizenship via Residency [i.e. You are "FREE"? "Right! Free to get
off my Plantation/Property before I Can SHOOT Your N***** A** For
TRESPASSING!] )

Originally Posted by Weis

" . . .'"But when the right to vote" "But when" indicates a change from sentence 1 directly above. Towards the end of sentence 2 you
will see that the the representation is going to be reduced."

Originally Posted by Vivus

("But When" Serves as a Warning should there be ANY deviation from previously stated 'terms')

[quote=Weis]". . . at any election for the choice of electors for President
and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in
Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a

Originally Posted by Vivus

(Former
Confederate)

Originally Posted by Weis

State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is
denied to any

Originally Posted by Vivus

(EVEN ONLY ONE)
of the (Emancipated/Black)

Originally Posted by Weis

male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States,

Originally Posted by Vivus

(Not Yet Domiciled in the Several
States)

Originally Posted by Weis

or in any way abridged, except for participation in
rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation

Originally Posted by Vivus

(IN Congress of ANY Culprit State/s)

Originally Posted by Weis

therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such

Originally Posted by Vivus

(Emancipated/Black)

Originally Posted by Weis

male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State."

Originally Posted by Vivus

(i.e. IF Any Former Confederate/Prejudiced State ATTEMPTS to PREVENT even Just One Emancipated/Black Male being 21 years of age the RIGHT to VOTE then whatever Seats/Representation acquired by WHITE ONLY VOTES would thereby be PENALIZED and REDUCED by the Percentage of Total Eligible Voters made up by Black Male Inhabitants of the State
21 years old/older. e.g. If "Such Black Male Citizens" Constituted
Twenty Five Percent 25% of the State's/States' Voter Pool to Deny
EVEN One Black Male the RIGHT to VOTE would COST the STATE a 25%
REDUCTION PENALTY of Seats/Representation IN Congress as
PUNISHMENT)

Originally Posted by Weis

"At the end states "such male citizens".

Originally Posted by Vivus

(SURE JUST SNIP/CUT/EDIT/CENSOR the TRUTH until One can ASK...)

Originally Posted by Vivus

(SEE ABOVE!)

Originally Posted by Weis

"The male inhabitants that are citizens of the United States engaged in the participation in rebellion, or other crime."

Originally Posted by Vivus

(THAT IS NOT what the 14th Amendment SAYS in ANY Legitimate Copy of the U.S. Constitution!)

Originally Posted by Weis

"So what is it really saying thus far ?"
"The right to vote is denied EXCEPT FOR participation in
rebellion, or other crime."

Originally Posted by Vivus

(FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! NOW HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE the 14th Amendment is SAYING "The right to vote is DENIED EXCEPT FOR Participation in REBELLION, or Other CRIME." Come On!)

Originally Posted by Weis

"Now, what do those inhabitants do?"
"such male citizens will bear to the whole number of citizens"
"Bear means:

Originally Posted by Vivus

(At this Moment, SUFFER or otherwise PUT UP WITH)

Originally Posted by Weis

to effect in a harmful or adverse way and to exert (A SINISTER) force (upon) The whole number of citizens includes all persons
as mentioned in sentence1; or inhabitants as noted in sentence 2."
"Notice that right to vote is going to be abridged or denied."

Originally Posted by Vivus

(RATHER, Notice The Truth in the 14th Amendment as it CLEARLY STATES the Consequences should the Right to Vote be abridged or denied)

Originally Posted by Weis

"When is the right abridged or denied?"

Originally Posted by Vivus

(SEE ABOVE)

Originally Posted by Weis

"Abridged or denied WITH WHAT EXCEPTION?"
"Participation in rebellion, and other crimes."

Originally Posted by Vivus

That is NOT What he States just moments ago @:"The right to vote is denied EXCEPT FOR participation in rebellion, or other crime."

Originally Posted by Weis

"All people in any given state are represented if they
participate in rebellion or other crimes; and the citizens that do
not participate are not represented (however are still deemed US
citizens)."

Originally Posted by Vivus

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! From Whose Constitution are YOU reading FROM!

Originally Posted by Weis

"How can one be represented if he can not vote?"

Originally Posted by Vivus

(PRECISELY!)

Originally Posted by Weis

"The formula takes care of this, does it not?"

Originally Posted by Vivus

(ONLY When One Clearly Comprehends HOW!)

Originally Posted by Weis

"The words "But when" mean next to nothing

Originally Posted by Vivus

(ONLY AFTER You Get a Hold of Them and Pervert their CONTEXT) as they are just changing what was established in sentence 1."
(At Least in the Uninformed Opinions of Weis and the Promoters of
the Seminar!)

Originally Posted by Weis

The relevant key words are "SUCH CITIZENS"

Originally Posted by Vivus

(BLATANT MISUSE/ABUSE OF QUOTATION MARKS " ")
(NOWHERE in the 14th Amendment do those words Appear Adjacent to Each
Other and he did not Correctly Indicate as: "SUCH...CITIZENS"
allowing Others to Investigate the Missing "male" and the CONTEXT
e.g. 'Black Male 21 years or older')

Originally Posted by Weis

"Moreover, why would this be put into a constitution to take
care of people that participated in the so-called Civil War... They
have all been dead for over one hundred years.