[weishaupt1776]

Vivus response continued

Originally Posted by Vivus

For Crying Out Loud! The 14th Amendment to the Constitution was proposed by the Congress on June 13, 1866. It was declared, in a
certificate by the Secretary of State dated July 28, 1868, to have
been ratified.

Originally Posted by Weis

"SIMPLE PUT: THIS IS A COMPLEX FORMULA TO ENFRANCHISE US CITIZENS AND DISENFRANCHISE STATE CITIZENS AND CREATE THE PRESUMPTION THAT YOU ARE A US CITIZEN."

Originally Posted by Vivus

THAT'S FUNNY! I would describe your Allegations & Assertions as: A Blatant albeit Feeble Attempt to Confound, Confuse, and DISTORT the Constitution to Mirror your Twisted Logic and to Solicit Paid
Attendance to the Touted & Worthless Seminar Promoted!

Originally Posted by Weis

Now read Section 1-2 again:
U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United
States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,(OOOH) are citizens of
the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the
privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States

Originally Posted by Vivus

(Including Former Slaves, Recent Immigrants and/or Resident
Aliens);

Originally Posted by Weis

nor shall any State deprive any person

Originally Posted by Vivus

(Not Yet even a U.S. Citizen e.g. Foreign Visitors) of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person (Not Yet even a U.S. Citizen)

Originally Posted by Weis

within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Originally Posted by Vivus

(As We Are a Just and Civilized and Hospitable People!)

Originally Posted by Weis

Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole
number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But
when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for
President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in
Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the
members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the

Originally Posted by Vivus

(Black)

Originally Posted by Weis

male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for
participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of
representation therein shall be reduced

Originally Posted by Vivus

(PUNISHMENT)

Originally Posted by Weis

in the proportion which the number of such (Black) male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Thirteenth Amendment - Slavery And Involuntary Servitude
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except
as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly
convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject
to their jurisdiction.

"Okay, back to the 14th Amendment sec 2 with all of the garbage taken out":
" . . . the right to vote at any election . . . is denied

Originally Posted by Vivus

(DENIED?)

Originally Posted by Weis

. . . to all male inhabitants . . . except for

Originally Posted by Vivus

(EXCEPT FOR?)

[quote=Weis]participation in rebellion, or other crime"

Originally Posted by Weis

"So, to have the right to vote is a crime,

Originally Posted by Vivus

(RIGHT TO VOTE IS A CRIME?)

Originally Posted by Weis

therefore if you have the right to vote as a U.S. Citizen, then you are "legally"

Originally Posted by Vivus

(LEGALLY?)

Originally Posted by Weis

considered to be a slave involuntarily indentured because you are participating

Originally Posted by Vivus

(WE ARE?)

in rebellion against you true dejure governmental system."

Originally Posted by Weis

"Congratulations - You're an enemy, belligerent, insurgent, denizen to the dejure governmental system."
"OH- and involuntarily enslaved to boot cuz (sic) you are being re-
presented"

Originally Posted by Vivus

(I PRAY THAT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED ANY SHARP INSTRUMENTS!)

Originally Posted by Vivus

I'M SORRY What PLANET do you CLAIM to be FROM? Seriously??? FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
I DO NOT Attack/Or Berate this Afflicted SELF ADMITTED "looney tune"
(identifying himself as Weis) personally, nor Do I Attempt to
Judge him as he ALSO in Created in HIS Image and in doing so One
would thereby be Attacking/Berating/Judging HE whom Created him.
This being said HOWEVER, There is a Moral Duty to NOT let this putrid
propaganda go UNPROFLIGATED! While his Afflictions/Intentions
are Matters of Speculation, The Subject Matter he Chose to
Address/Assert in this Public Forum IS NOT! And While One
is 'Entitled', indeed has a RIGHT to their 'Own' Opinion, That is
not 'License' or in any way precludes one from the Moral Duty NOT to
Publicly Disseminate that which is neither TRUTH/LAW/LOGIC, nor from
the personal responsibilty not to flaunt One's ignorance or lack of
shame by doing SUCH!
Words are Important, especially the ones that Teach Us and make up
our Laws and are NOT meant to be taken lightly, out of CONTEXT,
Censored via Snip Cut & Paste, or FLAT OUT TWISTED and/or IGNORED.
Whatever happened to GOOD Words like those from Thomas
Jefferson: "Those who wish to remain ignorant and free, wish for
that which never was, nor shall ever be" or the words of
Abraham Lincoln: " Better to remain silent and merely thought a fool,
than to speak and remove all doubt"
Should it be Judged that I should be 'Spanked' for Speaking Out
Against Such Blatant Atrocities and thereby 'Banned' from this group
I leave the Same Words of Warning (concerning the Myths/Lies
permitted to be Posted Herein, yet left Un-Rebutted) with which I
came on September 3rd @ Post # 556: Forewarned is Forearmed For
Goodness Sake.

I will be interjecting within the above 2 threads