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#9 10-27-2005, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel

I do remember that the Bible itself, claims to be divinely inspired. I do not believe it, however. It makes no sense to me that god would inspire people to write something that other people would not be able to understand. SO Why bother??? What is the point??? That concept seems ludicrous.

Scripture is often unbelievable to me because it describes something scientifically nonsensical, and/or rationally contradictory, and/or intellectually ridiculous. So I guess an UN-natural man would find it believable, huh?

I understand the scripture... I do not believe it could have been written by anyone but a collection of human beings. It means that the scripture is often so unbelievable to me that I cannot accept the idea that any divine intelligence could possibly be behind it. The contradictions, the cruelty, the primitive religious rituals, the unbelievable and illogical stories are all quintessentially and typically human.

No. Actually, if I could speak with God, I would say "Please tell me you didn't go to all that trouble to inspire hundreds of pages of nonsense. If you did, then please explain why you wanted people to struggle and argue over it endlessly. Better yet, please just talk to me directly, OK?

You've apparently misunderstood me when I've indicated that I do not understand. I have no problem understanding and comprehending the words in the scriptures themselves. They indicate, however, things that I do find irrational and/or unbelievable. Some scriptures are even shocking in their instructions to perform acts that I consider ignorant, depraved, cruel and primitive.

I have trouble understanding why any present-day, probably reasonably well-educated and rational person would believe everything that is written in the Bible. I do not understand how anyone with a rational mind can convince themselves that the Bible was inspired by god... whether you call "god" - YHWH or Jehovah or whomever.

How very clever that the scriptures themselves include a statement to the effect that normal ordinary people (natural man?) will often find the scriptures unbelievable ("foolishness") - and that if they do, it means they just don't understand the mind of "YHWH". I don't understand why you don't recognize how ridiculous that is.

OK. How about this:

Anyone who fails to understand the above quote, and thinks that it is foolishness simply fails to understand the mind of Lewis Carroll. Amen

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How can you understand Lewis Carrol and not the Bible? if you really want God to communicate with you I believe he will. Even though he could say, I gave you my word, call me back when you believe it. Christ showed Thomas his nail holes and spear hole. He is big enough to handle doubt. there is a huge difference, I believe in someone having sincere seemingly huge questions about the Bible and really wanting to have questions answered or someone who has been hurt by religion, and by life experiences and turns their back on God and uses pop culture the Bible has inconsistencies excuses to defend thier position. God says to you the problem is not your questions about the Bible, but your hardness of heart due to some things that if you would have given to me I could have taken care of them. Still can any time you want to turn them over, but as long as you carry them as your shield to fend off other hurts, your beliefs, your shield will become the weight that brings you down, drowns you when the flood comes. For the Bible says that when the enemy comes in like a flood God will raise a standard. And when you are drowning from the weight of your shield you can cry out to god and he will deliver you even tho you have turned your back on Him. For god has chosen the foolishness of preaching to save some and the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.