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Old 02-12-2006, 09:28 AM
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A Restatement

Due to the complex nature of the deceptive wording
in clause 2, here's another way of looking at it. It does regurgitate some of the previous analysis, but has helped some people understand it.

Here's Clause 2:
Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Okay after "But when", we have "The right to vote". The premise is that this is the right to vote for the defacto Exec, Leg, and Jud officers of a "State". In this case the State is one composed of defacto 14th Amdmt U.S. Citizens not Dejure 10th Amendment State citizens. This is the insurgent State which is a government according to 18 USC 11:

"§ 11. Foreign government defined
Release date: 2005-08-03

The term "foreign government", as used in this title except in sections 112, 878, 970, 1116, and 1201, includes any government, faction, or body of insurgents within a country with which the United States is at peace, irrespective of recognition by
the United States. "

After "the right to vote" we have "is denied"

Denied to who?

"any of the male inhabitants" (Anyone Born in America w/American parents)

"of such state" (State republic/federal colony-area)

Here's the kicker:

Remember in the first sentence it said "whole number of persons EXCLUDING indians" ?

Okay refer back to "any of the male inhabitants"

which type of inhabitants ? (so far it is all except Indians)

It continues "Being 21 years of age AND citizens of the United States"

So tacitly it is saying "All male inhabitants EXCLUDING State Citizens/American Nationals" in the same way.

It is clearly describing WHICH male inhabitants. Tons of cases pre 14th Amdmt showing that there was no such thing as a U.S. Citizen. So obviously there are a
certain part of the whole number of Male inhabitants which are these "21 year old Citizens of the U.S."

Okay so "is denied" is linked to the "right to vote" for the state anf Fed defacto officers.

Then "is denied to ANY of the male inhabitants" then obviates ALL males

But now the criteria narrows with "being 21 years of age AND citizens of the U.S."

So this means that in order to vote, a MALE must be 21 YEARS OLD AND a federal citizen.

So now it is only those federal citizens who are part of the whole number who are thrown back into the equation as being able to vote.

Now the next exception "except for participation in rebellion or crime"

So even if we throw in the "when" in "but when", we still have "But when the right to vote . . . is denied . . . except for partcipation in rebellion or crime"

"the basis of reprepresentation therein shall be reduced"

Reduced how?

"in the proportion which the the number of SUCH male citizens"

Which ones (SUCH)? The male inhabitants 21 and U.S. who ar part of a whole as
below:

"shall bear to the WHOLE NUMBER (state citizens/U.S. Citizens) of male citizens 21 years of age in such State.

This is clear that the political representation is for the part of a whole and not the whole. That part being the males "21 and U.S. citizens". Unless they are a 21
year old male citizen participating in a crime (utilizing the right to vote for defacto officers)

this right to vote is denied and the non- U.S. citizen population, which has been denied that right and who are left over are not to be represented.
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