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Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, heh, Please first accept my apologies for delaying this response to your excellent post quoted below; but, as I mentioned in a private message, I wanted to ponder for a time upon what You had written before giving an answer that was worthy of your post.

None of my responses to your posts were meant as slight to anything you had written and I apologise also for any impression to the contrary that I may have allowed to slip in. In my humble opinion, what we're discussing here is something that is fundamentally based on what our Heavenly Father did when He appointed our ancients to cross The Pond from England and Europe to this land to worship Him and His son Four Hundred Years ago!

Aside, but not irrelevent: At the end of the four hundred years in Egypt, the Children of Israel were brought out of bondage by The Strong and Mighty Hand of the Lord!!! Our heavenly father *IS* The God of Patterns and everyone who knows His Holy Writ recognises The Significance of the ending of this Particular time-frame. So, that is where I proceed from and where I have my frame of mind. The Hope of what is to come is Inherent in what we see by way of review of what already happened to the children of Israel in Egypt; to wit: the corruptions, slayings, murders, the life of the people suppressed, oppressed and repressed by a People stronger than themselves to wield and lay upon the backs of slaves the desire of rulers to say and to do all that they contemplate for that almighty drachma! LOL!

Now, in re-reading the last paragraph several times, I kept saying "Europe" which I finally took note of and considered because obviously that was God telling me something! Let us also recall what history says of events that occured in Europe from the thirteenth century to the seventeenth: a bird's eye view of history during those years brings to mind inquisitions, slavery, serdom, feifdoms, contract-breaking, crusades, regal-manipulation by people in high places who spoke with forked-tongue and wielded words and swords to lay upon the backs of slaves the desires of rulers to say and to do all that they contemplate for that almighty pound-sterling! (no `LOL' this time, but irony: History repeats and our Heavenly Father wants, nay demands that we take notice of the cycles! As He has written "I tell the end from the beginning!"

I recall a quote that I cannot attribute, perhaps _Bartlet's Quotations_ can reveal who it was who said, "What has gone before is prologue."

Thus ends my prologue and I shall now intersperse comment within your post next.

Originally Posted by jerrypitts

What is relevent?

What is relevent is one's learning how to do and how to say in and on the field of battle in court-rooms and in chambers of legislatures for and because we fight not against flesh and blood or bone but against evil spirits who use and abuse people in so-called self-detructive ways and those ways are taught and we are to forsake the ways of these abusers not to follow after nor entertain thoughts that attempt to exalt themselves against the high knowledge and love of the most high, our heavenly father.

When I used the word "oratory" previously I was referring to all declarations generally that are required to achieve some desired conclusion; I didn't mean to apply that word in a limited fashion to anyone's spoken word but to all the various and sundry facts, evidences and truths that would settle a particular controversy; and in this thread, all that would be required to achieve allodial property.

I disagree with your statement that "we... are no-where near in comparison with the [] skills of" the authors of the Constitution. There have been some mighty fine and well-written words placed on this Forum that evidence the same quality and depth of thought and purpose as those of whom we look back to at that beginning of what became the American Nation, concieved in Liberty, brought forth with the Strong hand of the Lord with, in and from Love. They spent their days and nights studying, reading voraciously and discussing all that was relevent to the day-to-day occurrences, usurpations, encroachments of those who were sent forth and across the seas to eat out our substance, steal our people and our property; Has anything changed?

I say heartily and loudly, "NO, nothing has changed. History repeats."

And I thank our heavenly father for his continual and super-abundant mercy upon us who look to him for salvation and means of escape from all the evil plans that would beset us if we were left to our own devices.

Originally Posted by jerrypitts

I mean good gracious alive. Look right down the street from your house... how many of your neighbors are working for the very system that you are attempting to enlighten? Do you even know the neighbors on your block? Have you ever attempted to convince them of the situation? How about those that you know are within the system on a voluntary basis and are receiving compensation for their time.. have you attempted to convince them that they need to leave their well paying positions in order to join the ranks of those of us who are not of the same mind set?

This is no different then discussing the word of salvation with John Q and Jane R Private. Not at all! It's exactly the same thing for where there is christ (anointing) there *IS* Liberty!

What's the difference tween publishing the Gospel and the subject-matter of SuiJuris?
Nothing! No difference at all!

It *IS* the exact same thing! It is the Word of God which he gave in Love, to us to use as Love, to learn what Love is.

In Truth and deed, I have and do speak to my neighbors and strangers about our subject-matter here; many are interested in hearing. I plant much seed for the Lord to make an increase of.

Originally Posted by jerrypitts

Great to be in America... I can jump on the soap box, and you can listen to what I have to say, or walk away; or you can listen and later discard what I say as nonsense; or you can listen and act. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.

You can also do that same thing in Picadilly Square! LOL

But I think you forget what Jesus said about the spoken word -- it is spirit! It's alive and it is seed to be planted and watered by our action and then God gives the increase. So to just drop the seed on the ground and leave it unattended to die, is the sin of Onan!

Originally Posted by jerrypitts

One of the most corrupt judges of his time had this to say.. "Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or ill, it teaches the whole people by example. Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for the law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself."
-- Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis.

-- and from that day till now, I have not read a more truthful confession by a corporate government official. Brandeis himself was a LAW breaker, and yet he proudly displays the fact of what has happened and what the government truthfully expects from the remainder of the population.

In truth, I care not what liars, covenant-breakers and evil natural-man has to say, even when it is inadvertantly The Truth. I say that because in order for me to determine if they speak The Truth, I have to listen to every single word they speak -- that takes too much time, effort and concentration and I already have a full plate of assignments from the Lord.

Originally Posted by jerrypitts

Because they have been expecting a particular attitude to develope among the population, they have taken the time and resources to develope a defense system that will not allow any small segment of the population to upset the scheme that they have set in motion.

Play in the judicial sandbox, and you can expect sand to get thrown forcefully in your eyes; play in the sandbox, and you can expect the goon squad to hold you down and push sand down your throat.... but whatever you do, don't expect to find justice within that system... by its' very nature, you cannot find justice in the belly of a whore.

Jerry.

Dearest Brother o mine, Jerry,

We are not of this world-system, nor are we sons to be `taken care of' (referring to the conversation between Jesus and Peter discussing who pays the taxes) but in the presently defined system, the rulers of this system now operating couldn't even get THAT right -- for they cannot do illegally what they cannot do legally(^1): and this IS a vestige of all that our fellow anointed-siblings who went before did when sitting in chambers of legislatures to setup, define and promulgate Law in centuries past, upon which all current rules, regulations, and opinions of court are based upon; and let us recall that it started two millenia ago with our heavenly father's presentment of His harvest to the world;

and, then with Liberties in Italy and Constantinople;
and, then with Great Charters against Kings to relieve property owners;
and, courts of jurisprudence by Men who knew the Holy Writ;

Whence is the Foundation of Our Liberty, traced and threaded back to Our Heavenly Father through time to the Root of Jesse!

I give the glory to our heavenly father for these words, He knitted it all for me and showed me the deep things of Himself through his interaction with Man.

Amen and amen. (or as we would say now) True d'at!

Footnote 1: I refer to a decision of court which I read once and this was the most significant point that the court made. I paraphrase, the court indicated that if legislature can't do a thing legally, then cannot do it in an illegal fashion. I dont recall at all what court or decision this is from. Apologies.

As is it said in Spanish, via con Dios, Go with God.

I Am Honor and Fidelity.