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Originally Posted by Shoonra

It is required everywhere that corporate or collective parties (e.g., corporations, unincorporated associations, charities, trusts, class actions, etc.) must be represented by one or more real lawyers. Amateurs appearing pro se are allowed to screw up only their own cases, not the cases of any other person (including family members).

WITHOUT PREJUDICE
That kind of lan-goo-ag is a perfect example of why one ought to be mindful of hidden modifiers before words. When your adversary asks you "are you an individual?" he might be asking you "are you a unit of *his* Estate". They are not asking if you are an individual or a singular human in nature or a foreign estate. If they were asking you if you were a foreigner might they have instead asked something like unto: "Are you a you a foreign individual?"

Therefore, when State of Oz says "trust" it likely means trusts formed under the statutes of the State of Oz (i.e. non-foreign trusts). When it means elsewise, it would say "foreign trust".

So here we have the word "everywhere" wielded. And we can use just a little bit of logic: since an attorney is not required in my court, then it is not required in my notion of everywhere. Now, one way that this statement: "It is required everywhere that corporate or collective parties (e.g., corporations, unincorporated associations, charities, trusts, class actions, etc.) must be represented by one or more real lawyers."--can be made true is to render it only as being spoken from within a system where everywhere in that System is 'everywhere' to that system and then it might hold true that such is required 'everywhere' in the scope of that in the eState or eStates--even if thats just an area the size of a old-fashioned water closet.

Since an attorney is not required in Our court, then she/he can only be speaking in and from and a Realm where it holds true.

Amateurs appearing pro se are allowed to screw up only their own cases, not the cases of any other person (including family members).

In some cases perhaps the only other alternative for some maybe seem to be to allow perfect lying strangers to screw (1404, from M.Fr. escroue) one and ones family too out of everything the screwer can a-turn. Foreplay vs. rough? Which would you choose?

See also: attorn c.1303, from O.Fr. aturne "(one) appointed," pp. of aturner "to decree, assign, appoint," from a- "to" + turner "turn," from L. tornare

turn (v.) late O.E. turnian "to rotate, revolve," in part also from O.Fr. torner "to turn," both from L. tornare "turn on a lathe," from tornus "lathe," from Gk. tornos "lathe, tool for drawing circles," from PIE base *ter- "to rub, rub by turning, turn, twist" (see throw).