I do have Howards Griswolds Security Agreement and I have droit Droit's also. I am in contact with Howard and need to get ahold of him this week again it is hard as many of you know to reach him. But it is not working for me. I also am NOT trying to NOT pay I don't have the funds anymore due to work related injury and workers compensation not paying properly (still in litagation). There game is to freeze you out and force you back to work which I cannot do at this time. I finally had to get myself the medical help I need to maybe able to do more than I can at this time so there is no money of mine to pay. Now I haven't done the land patent yet I will do that today. I also was not not asking HUD for help I was sending a letter that I sent the mortgage companies to fill out to the agencies letting them know what I was requesting.and they were not providing. I have properly asked for verification of several occasions and all they have sent me are copies which are not certified. Jerseee I have tried to get verification and I just will not accept the attorney's signature telling me it is true they are suing me for Gosh sakes you know what they try to pull. They have signed it to be a true copy and that doesn't work for me and should not be allowed or accepted, but it does for the courts. I have sent them verification letters written by the best and with no avail. I have had all of my legal docments written up by legal professionals (such as people in my area studing this also and spen there days and nights doing this). So I am following the laws and doing the objections and pilimary objections and answers correctly and I have a paralegal check them out before I send them for proofreading. Also while in Chapter 13 I used the Rule 2004 to demand records and the court allowed them to strick it due to it being a nuisunace and a burden to there client. The courts are really getting to be a worse nightmare then the debt collectors they are avading the law and need a good civil suit against them but I just don't want to get into that at them moment but will certainly entertain the idea at a later date when the pressure is not so bad. Flecompt also does not know me only about me from what I have written and he has never talked to me and did not return my call when I asked for his help. I also believe I need to take this to federal court but I am not good in a court room and hope I will not have to go again I shook so bad last time a friend asked me if I felt the earthquake caused by my shaking. Tora believe me I don't give up easy and will never just give up this is my life and I have no way of getting anything back I may lose Thanks faithchris