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Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel
Hi Jerry,
and Jerry Pitts replied:
Yes, Jerry, that is the answer I was looking for, and I appreciate your honest response.
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Actually Heidi, to avoid sounding puffed up, honesty had little to do with it. Firstly; I simply hate getting caught in telling a half truth or full blown lie wherein I have to resort to other mistruths to hide the first one. Secondly; it is the Christian thing to do.... you know, the difference between right and wrong or good and evil.
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Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel
Jerry also wrote:
Interestingly enough, a certain new aspect of science, known as quantum physics, has taken the position that consciousness may be independent of the physical body, and Science of Mind teaches that the sum total of all consciousness makes up a universal mind from which we may derive wisdom and guidance. This universal mind or consciousness is manifested in everything that exists.
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Of course Heidi, we both realize that this new way of viewing something mentally, is mere conjecture and at present time, has not been proven to be accurate. In fact, it is 'theory'.
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Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel
I don't believe that my rational realization that "the Devil" is a mythological figure (every bit as much as Zeus and Baal and Apollo are mythological figures) makes me a humanist. I consider myself a realist.
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re·al·ist
n.
One who is inclined to literal truth and pragmatism.
A practitioner of artistic or philosophic realism.
rationalize
verb
To show to be just, right, or valid:
excuse, justify, vindicate.
Idiom: make a case for.
See right.
To offer reasons for or a cause of:
account for, explain, justify.
See explain.
It would appear, Heidi, that there is an instant conflict with what you are stating. On the one hand, you indicate that you are a realist - one that seeks out the literal truth. While on the other hand, you base your statement on conjecture and theory. Until the conjecture or theory can be proven, it is not a truth, but a mere supposition, fantasy, fairy tale, fable, myth.
Further definition -
jus·ti·fy
v. jus·ti·fied, jus·ti·fy·ing, jus·ti·fies
v. tr.
To demonstrate or prove to be just, right, or valid: justified each budgetary expense as necessary; anger that is justified by the circumstances.
To declare free of blame; absolve.
To free (a human) of the guilt and penalty attached to grievous sin. Used of God.
Law a. To demonstrate sufficient legal reason for (an action taken). b. To prove to be qualified as a bondsman.
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Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel
I do not exalt the human race above all other forms of life in the universe. I am interested in our position within the universe, and I also care about other forms of life. I am interested in scientific discoveries and intellectual and spiritual enlightenment.
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The exaltation you speak of is not ours to either bestow on one another or deny to one another. That exaltation came from God. God is the one that has put man(kind) above all other creatures on the earth.
I concur that scientific discovery is interesting and sometimes even fascinating. Now if I had to choose between the remaining two, intellectual and spiritual, enlightenment(s), I would definitely have to go for the spiritual. Intellectual carries with it the connotation of being 'earth bound'.. intellect is something that pertains to the earthy being, and has not one bit of effect upon the spiritual being. IMHO
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Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel
I believe that all organized religion which teaches any form of exclusivity (treating unbelievers as "infidels" and considering them to be somehow "damned") has become a huge stumbling block to world peace and to human spiritual enlightenment and intellectual development.
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I, likewise, have been waiting for you to say that and am glad that you have stipulated the matter in a truthful manner. As indicated above, you have stated that you "believe" such and such.. Well Heidi.. I also believe that the Devil is real, has real power, and can receive and take souls to a hell as described in the Bible.
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Originally Posted by Heidi Guedel
Last night (AKA "Good Friday") we attended a Dance of Universal Peace, the purpose of which is always to foster love, understanding, spiritual community and peace between people of all religious backgrounds and national origins.
http://www.dancesofuniversalpeace.org/
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I reserve comment on your last paragraph until such time as I have reviewed your link and some other pertinent documentation.
Jerry.