the reason i said that is because you cannot be in dishonor if the contract is void from the beginning. im looking at everything from a common law point of view. how can they ticket you? who is the damaged party? you cannot dishonor a fraud by telling them its fraud. im doing what ice, jerseee and others are doing now, strictly using the law. the ucc is ok, but lets be real, that stuff was written for the bankers and not us. use remedies that a common man or woman can overstand and the system cannot ignore you. why write down without prejudice ucc2-207 etc. when you can just as easily right down by your signature "i reserve all my rights".