[Jerseee]

All,


Ice and myself have been engaging in some very stimulating dialogue concerning citizenship and I feel we are very close to coming up with some documentation that may thwart BB attempts to controvert this issue.


Ice and myself have met at common ground on some major points of US citizenship versus US National and how to get BB to recognize our status once and for all without controversy.&


the approach I suggested to Ice&is simple, tactical, and economical.& Ice, revealed that I may have stumbled onto something worth discussing the logistics of and of course asked for my rationale and in addition he would like this to be in an open forum so we may get some feedback that may help in this struggle.& So here is the idea that I exposed to Ice:


Excerpt from the State dept website:


"Very few persons fall within this category since, as defined by the INA, all U.S. citizens are U.S. nationals but only a relatively small number of persons acquire U.S. nationality without becoming U.S. citizens. Thus, Section 101(a)(22) INA states that all U.S. citizens are also nationals of the U.S. However, Section 308 INA confers U.S. nationality but not U.S. citizenship, on persons born in or having ties with "an outlying possession of the United States." The outlying possessions are defined in Section 101(A)(29) INA as American Samoa and Swains Island. No other statutes define any other territories nor any of the states as outlying possessions. Those enumerated in section 308 INA as eligible for this status, in addition to those mentioned above, are those individuals born abroad to two American non-citizen national parents, or those born abroad to one alien parent and one non-citizen national parent. Also, there is a residency requirement placed upon the parents of the child prior to birth in order to transmit U.S. nationality."


"As the Department has received few requests, there is no justification for the creation of a non-citizen national certificate. Designing a separate document that includes anti-fraud mechanisms was seen as an inefficient expenditure of resources. Therefore, the Department determined that those who would be eligible to apply for such a certificate may apply for a United States passport that would delineate and certify their status as a national but not a citizen of the United States."


"Any person who becomes a citizen of the United States solely by virtue of the provisions in Section 301 [applying to those born in or residing in the Northern Mariana Islands] may within six months after the effective date of that Section or within six months after reaching the age of 18 years, whichever date is later, become a national but not a citizen of the United States by making a declaration under oath before any court established by the Constitution or laws of the United States or any other court of record in the Commonwealth in the form as follows " I _____ being duly sworn, hereby declare my intention to be a national but not a citizen of the United States."


As you can read there is a process that should be done in order to be recognized as a US National.& Along with the passport application, an oath must be taken as well.&So with all of that said, here is the line up docs that I thought of:


1. a certified filed copy of DS-11&


2. The oath (which should be published in a paper) and get a certificate of publication


3. copy of your birth certificate


4. 5-6 original copies of the oath on certificate paper and all of them notarized


Then file your sworn oaths and certificate of publication with the county recorder.& thoughts?