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Originally Posted by gldskr

Walter

The problem with your solution is that it is not a solution at all, but merely a shell game. It simply changes the mechanics of the game from one source of funding for another, within the same fiat money system we all abhor.


Goverments of all stripes own approx. 70% of the stock market and are essentially nothing more than hedge funds. Its common knowledge that hedge funds can move markets, so 10%-20% rates of return are possible, but only within a fiat money regime. It is also common knowledge that the stock market is a zero sum game. When governments own 90% of the market, who in their right mind is going to participate and eventually be left holding the bag? Without greater fools those rates of return will be impossible to achieve.


So if real inflation is 10% now and 20% returns are needed to fund government, inflation would double just to keep up with current expenditures. But as we all know government is ever expanding, as will be the inflation that is necessary to fund it. What you propose is akin to a perpetual motion machine, unworkable in the real world due to friction and gravity. Sure, it may succeed in the short term, but is unsustainable over time.


The real solution is stable money (gold and silver), limited government and maximum freedom. It was successful for 100 years until the parasites took hold.

gldskr

Gold Seeker:

The “mechanics” of funding government over the last 100 years as it is currently, is based on deception and outright fraud. The public’s focus is directed to taxation as the funding source when in fact if you digest total GROSS income government receives, only 1/3rd is tax income and 2/3rd is NON-Tax income. The commodity in a fiat system is the productivity value of the people.

The difference in a “Slave” society and a “Prosperous” society is the real value of true spend-able income the individual receives and "maintains". Yes, it is true that for thousands of years (not 100) precious metals were used as the standard bartering tool for trade value. Also included were livestock, land, ect. Also true was that 95% of the population over a period of 4000 years was impoverished by the overlords in control of 99% of that Gold and Silver.

Government today, with We The People having left the vault wide open (and in fact with 98% of the people saying; What vault?) took over control / ownership of most property and aspects of “taking” 85% of the productivity value of the people. The ownership they now have of the Stock market, loan market, and insurance market through investment is almost absolute. They did this simply by opportunity to do so, and they did.

My “solution” as you call it is to reassert ownership for the public by making “them” the direct beneficiary whereby government “must” be motivated by seeing the people prosper to truly prosper themselves.

For the last 100 years out of “opportunity” due to the money involved, government based its growth and wealth accumulation on deception and co-conspiracy for non-disclosure as to its real growth, investment status, and gross income. To do this, they always appeared to be operating in the red (to justify taking more) and expanded their operations to expand their budgets.

The TRF mode of operation allows for transparence, but of even greater importance, it shifts the “mode” of operation that now puts the “motive” focus on downsizing, efficiency, and keeping the public prosperous. The less spent by government and the more stabile prosperity that ensues, government administration and management will be able to live high-on-the-hog also with the public being the “direct” beneficiary of the investment wealth under management by government.

So in this fiat economy of TRF operation, the people will still be the commodity, the only difference is not as slaves or serves, but as true co-op owners. No longer, an economy based on; Cash; taxation; and investment, but one based on cash and investment only.

When you mention “unworkable in the real world”, that is false. It already is working in the real world and is the “primary” driving force IN THE REAL WORLD. Government now gets over 2/3rd of its income from non-tax sources. We will be changing the direct beneficiary IN THE REAL WORLD.

Expanding investment helps absorbs inflation. Massive investment, to say the least under the principle of operation of the TRF. Government pension funds (standing at about 26-28 trillion dollars strong) drove the economy over the last 65 years as they grew. TRF funds can and will drive the economy for the next 500 years or longer.

Just think, those TRF funds may just take sizable positions in gold and silver supporting your position also.

I reiterate the point that under the TRF mode of operation the motive of government is to downsize its operations and to focus on the prosperity of the people and the corporations / businesses they own or work for by investment and not theft through taxation. Millennium anyone?

And gldskr, if you call me a dreamer, you are right I am a dreamer and damn proud of it too!

Greed and runaway thieves in government stops today or there may be no tomorrow. TRF funds allow the public to regain ownership of the key to the vault with government as the trustee over the vault. Prosperity balanced (for both sides).