[Jerseee]

iamfree,



Are they money-changers? Did the money changers (bankers) make the rules you are using for free people?

Did the money-changers make the rules that you are using to free yourself as well? Did Jesus use the rules of the money-changers to free people? Did Jesus consort with such a people in order to free people?



I think not.



No matter how you slice it, spin it, or rationalize it--they are money-changers. They (according to you) wrote the rules. You are following those rules to free people--this is what you said.



Let's not talk about what we do with law. I say this because it is the only doctrine that I speak of on this thread--I do not quote scripture and law at the same time. So let's stick to what this is really about--UCC redemption convoluted with god's law. It is an abomination. It is blasphemous to serve 2 gods. I do know this much.



Now the gurus that run this are doing just that if I am not mistaken. As honorable as it sounds--Ms. Joy is doing that. Using scripture as one of the basis of UCC redemption. Abiding by 2 doctrines for salvation IS serving 2 masters. It matters not if you use the UCC against them--you are STILL using their rules to seek salvation. The UCC was created by the money-changers and you are using their rules to free people. This is what you said.



Jesus did not do this. So if Jesus did not walk in this way--why are you claiming to follow him through UCC redemption? Whom are you following? It cannot be my god. It cannot be Jesus. It cannot be the holy word. In fact, I do not think the UCC is mentioned in the bible. I do know that the bible speaks of god given rights and moeny changers.



iamfree, this is what I see--it is my opinion and not fact. If you believe in what you do is righteous--no one can take that from you. I'm glad that some are even standing up to tyranny.



But there is one fact that is not even debateable--THEY ARE MONEY CHANGERS and they wrote the rules for others to follow--which makes them sovereign--which makes those that follow those rules, theirs to command. This is fact.



I do not want to change or alter what you do or believe--but I do think you are being misled through your faith. Your love for the father is so great that you may think that seeking freedom through UCC is righteous--but the cold hard fact is--you are abiding by a horrible doctrine to seek salvation for yourself and others. A doctrine written by the money changers. And accepting those favors of the Prince, is accepting their salvation through their rules--not god's law. Shame on the Gurus for dooping the sheep to dance with wolves.



What a Good discussion.