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declaratory judgment loss???
haha!
A win is never embarrasing!
When you win, we win. Even when you lose, if you share it with us, we win because it builds our knowledge base all the more 
p.s. Make sure you get at me with the refined petition. If you got a Federal Judge to concur with your argument, then your document could very well be setting a standard that the rest of us can try in our respective districts!
p.p.s. to change the name of the thread, edit the subject of FIRST message in the thread. At least thats what i've had to do. . .
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"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic." --Dresden James
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