A semi-win, yet, a beginning!

[Sharing Lights]

Finally, Some Protection for the Affordable Housing in New York

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/succes...tml#post116377

Or poetically and meta-physically:

"Shine Fairness Just Like The Sun! *

Remember words, “give up?” - but never!
You have your life, you have your soul!
All principles will last forever;
so always rise when even fall!

Believe in fairness – it’s real!
It’s often hidden but it lives.
Don’t sell yourself for a shady deal.
Embrace the virtues – not the thieves!

You plant your life like seeds in soil;
so what shall grow, would be the same.
So called “the luck” and the turmoil
are all returns of justice’s flame.

You are falling down and in despair.
So learn from that - all “how” and “why?”
Then, you will see that life is fair.
You are given chances when you try.

So do what’s right, then “right” is given.
Refuse the “wrong” so a chance can come.
Instead of getting, wrongly, even,
shine Fairness just like the Sun!

by Sharing Lights

[nydeemarie]

Oops... My Congratulation post is in the wrong thread... Congratulations again...

[Sharing Lights]

Originally Posted by nydeemarie

Oops... My Congratulation post is in the wrong thread... Congratulations again...

SL: Thank you but, again, for accuracy, I, personally, do not deserve
a congratulation, as I still fight the thugs in robes
in my, personal lawsuit and how they rape this country.


I, among some others, who also cared enough
achieved blocking on the State's level.

The corrupt managements which destroy
the M-L - Affordable housing so that they can
embezzle much the sky-rocketing rent can't go
all the way now.

Now, they can only move by standard rules without
pulling their fraud why, suddenly they need to bring
the rent to the market value.


I am all for free market in a free society.

But, in New York, the Real Estate market has been
artificially inflamed to the point
of being ridiculous and lawyers helped to perpetrate,
their lobbying on all levels,
while the politicians sold out the People.

Therefore, the general public does need a protection;
otherwise, New York would be polarized to two camps
only: the very rich and very poor
with no middle class in between.


I claim that the middle class and those above
the very poor have a right to exist too -
not be driven away.

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[joseph sugarman]

I never thought I would see a post such as this one on a site dedicated to personal freedom. Any person who supports any government interference in the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness which includes property ownership is not really someone dedicated to personal freedom.

I noticed as I scanned the post there was a reference to the government stepping in to restore the proper market value of these "overpriced property rentals". The poster obviously does not realize that market value can only be discovered by the offer of an owner is accepted by a willing buyer or renter. Sky high rents are not the product of unscrupulouw owners and lawyers; they are the product of too many renters chasing too few rental units. In a true market economythat is the condition.

Noone is entitled to affordable housing, food, transportation, medical assistance or anything else. Noone is entitled to exist save for their personal efforts to do so, and that help which might be voluntarily offered by their family, friends, church or private charity.

It is the cowardly attitude of looking to government at any level for entitled assistance which has caused all the problems we now and our posterity in the future must contend.

[nydeemarie]

Originally Posted by joseph sugarman

I never thought I would see a post such as this one on a site dedicated to personal freedom. Any person who supports any government interference in the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness which includes property ownership is not really someone dedicated to personal freedom.

I noticed as I scanned the post there was a reference to the government stepping in to restore the proper market value of these "overpriced property rentals". The poster obviously does not realize that market value can only be discovered by the offer of an owner is accepted by a willing buyer or renter. Sky high rents are not the product of unscrupulouw owners and lawyers; they are the product of too many renters chasing too few rental units. In a true market economythat is the condition.

Noone is entitled to affordable housing, food, transportation, medical assistance or anything else. Noone is entitled to exist save for their personal efforts to do so, and that help which might be voluntarily offered by their family, friends, church or private charity.

It is the cowardly attitude of looking to government at any level for entitled assistance which has caused all the problems we now and our posterity in the future must contend.

I thought a deal was already in place.. and that is the controversy..... why the parties originally contracted. I do not know...

[Sharing Lights]

[joseph sugarman]I never thought I would see a post such as this one on a site dedicated to personal freedom. Any person who supports any government interference in the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness which includes property ownership is not really someone dedicated to personal freedom.


You twisted the contents and the meaning.

However, I do not believe you did so on purpose
but rather, by ignorance, possibly, not realizing that
when you choose to comment on an issue, first,
become familiar with the issue instead of, proudly,
posting general assertions not related to that,
PARTICULAR DISCUSSION!

There are numerous shades among black and white,
as we all know.




I noticed as I scanned the post there was a reference to the government stepping in to restore the proper market value of these "overpriced property rentals".



Again,

You are neither nowhere close to reality of this case,
nor understand what transpired:

1. being too far away and

2. not reading the relevant Posts.

The Government stepped in because some of us,
the People WHO care, have demanded to put an end
to fraud by the management firms which
artificially "destroy" the M-L program which has
a contract with numerous residents of NY, current and
awaiting their turn.

Where is the Free market when thousands of New
Yorkers who won a lottery drawing for M-L and paid
for the Application (Offer and Acceptance) and;
therefore, patiently waited for their turn without
making other arrangements, may never see promised to them M-L apartments?


Where is the Free Market when the managements,
routinely, insert outsiders by demanding bribes
and fraudulently manipulate the Waiting List of the prospective tenants?

Is that the True, Free Market - may thugs and low lives do what they please?

Really?

I am cautious to involve the government in anything
but when the Principles are at stake, I and others
have a Right and Moral Obligation to step in, expose
the fraud, and demand, yes, demand of the bureaucrats
in the Government to lift their asses and do their job.

Someone put those low lives managers of M-L in,
someone should take them out.

I disagree with you 100% when you fail to address
the basics of law.

You are more than welcomed to debate by facts
and reason.


I would reply respectfully and accordingly.

Demagoguing about Free Market in the light of fraud
is not it!


The management alters the contract by falsely
claiming that there are peculiar circumstances
why they have to suddenly skyrocket the maintenance
fees being collected by them.

Nothing is sudden in this world with only a few exceptions.

You confuse improperly increased maintenance fees
and True, Free Market.



Where did you find any freedom and free market
when fraud is at play?

First, the management promises people not to raise
the maintenance based on the reports, which are,
yes, once again, prepared in fraud.


I can read their reports and pinpoint fraud line by line
but 99% of all tenants in M-L neither have the
knowledge nor opportunity to hire layers to interpret
over 200 pages of Buy-Out of M-L "prepared" by thugs
attorney for the management.

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[Sharing Lights]

AG had the obligation to protect the People but looked
away or rather got (AG's assistant who signed)
something in return, and probably more than
an ice cream cone...

If anything, the true issue remains not only how
the AG betrayed the People but how the private lawyers

who are paid by the funds of the tenants are utilized
by the corrupt management which pays no dime to
them to defraud the very tenants whose funds are
being used.

Ask before assume or better know what write about,
misleading all.


This management retaliated vs. me for my stand and
broke in my apartment, burglarized, stole legal
documents I planed to use vs. them, changed lock,
cut off essential services, while I have to live
as if under siege.


So you mean to tell me, who is living that reality
that I infringe on Freedom and Free Market
or I am right and, criminally acting management,
must be stopped?


It goes to such length for the very purpose of utilizing
the peculiar circumstances which have nothing to do
with real market but are based on fraud of their
Pleadings and Buy-Out clauses manipulated by
the lawyers.


Should I take a gun and barge in their office
or pursue the solution by peaceful means taking
considerable risk every day, when the management
asks the local Police to have me arrested for,
allegedly, threatening the general manager?

Do you think that is fun when one is "marked?"

Of course, I would not use violence, as that is a failure,
unless immediate self-defense is required, then it is not
violence, but God Given, UN-alienable Right.

Of course, I would continue showing the Government
where it allows the fraud to perpetrate while it is
elected to protect the rights of the People.


What is the purpose of the elected officials:
to scratch their testicles all day long?


Acquaint yourself with M-L Hosing first before you
discuss that of which you have no clue, apparently,
by reading your Post.


A precise example again:
the management submitted a report that it
would not raise the maintenance based on
the physical report of a licensed Engineer.


Hell, yes, I informed the Govt. that the report was
fraud as the engineer never physically inspected
the buildings.

He merely reprinted the figures provided to him by
the Affidavits of the management and their
accounting firm.

Is that a free market and defense of freedom or
my opposition to the fraud is a moral stand?


In your, "freedom loving opinion," should I look away
when have evidence of fraud affecting tens and tens
of thousands of people in NY or sing your song of "freedom"?

That's only a tip of the iceberg.

Too much to list here.

The bottom line is this:

the huge sums of the supposedly loving free market
advocates regarding the M-L simply winds up
in the hands of the corrupt managements, their
attorneys, and accounting firms.

Do you smell the coffee or cappuccino by now?



The poster obviously does not realize that market value can only be discovered by the offer of an owner is accepted by a willing buyer or renter.


Ask that Poster, without presenting your "obviously"
and opinions as the reality of life, which I, actually,
live, by the way, more than you do in this case,
experiencing first hand what this management
does to me and others.


Sky high rents are not the product of unscrupulouw owners and lawyers; they are the product of too many renters chasing too few rental units. In a true market economy that is the condition.

True market is not based on fraud,
and here it is, not any less than artificially inflamed gas
prices, which by true market had to drop if anything
after the US Military secured the region!

Free market and fraud just do not match up. Do they?

Noone is entitled to affordable housing, food, transportation, medical assistance or anything else.

Stop taking those taxes and we
would spend them on ourselves without the Govt interference.

The last but not the least:

where did you find me, specifically, posting anything
contrary to, openly, advocated Rights for Equality and
Fairness to all, including the opposition?

I give a fair wanting to all parties, including debt
collectors and lawyers/judges before engage them.

Only after, they fail to abide by law based on Principles
of Right and Wrong (well above all of us,)
I fight them, utilizing all fair means I can
discover, including making the former accountable
to the Government if that is the left route.

Why not?

The Government is there anyway.

Should it not work, then, at least, sometimes?





Noone is entitled to exist save for their personal efforts to do so, and that help which might be voluntarily offered by their family, friends, church or private charity.

It is the cowardly attitude of looking to government at any level for entitled assistance which has caused all the problems we now and our posterity in the future must contend.

According to you, I have
a cowardly attitude for opposing
the corruption:
managements, Police, lawyers-judges?

I do not post fantasies; I practice what "preach."

Are you for real?

What have you you been smoking lately, accusing me
of that nonsense -"cowardly attitude"?

What "brave thing" have you done lately?

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