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Old 05-07-2008, 12:19 PM
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Shake-ups are good. They keep things lively. =D

I am now wondering, did the Founding Fathers create the U.S. Constitution as "by-laws" to the corporation (USA) to do their public business (commerce and services) with sufficient protection to their private selves from the corporation?

Most of the FF were esquires (agents of the King) as attorneys.
The Convention was convened due to problems with commerce, in part (and behind closed doors no less).
The delegates were given orders to suggest proposals for improving the Articles of Confederation and NOT to create a new Constitution.
They then limit participation in this new corporation to being that of land owning, Caucasian males.

It sounds to me that the private/public (common law/equity, non-commercial/commerce) split is nothing new being employed by the Vatican, the Crown of England, and it would seem, the Founding Fathers.
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Old 05-07-2008, 01:15 PM
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Voting is not a duty. Voting is right or a privilege and is not something that one must do under penalty of law.
In many Communist countries, and in places like Australia, voting was/is actually a "duty"..

In the U.S., the government regards voting as a taxable franchise.

Which is to say, something different than a natural right.

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Old 05-07-2008, 03:40 PM
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Sorry, it so F'n obvious that citizen is a class of "the people" and that the class status is required BEFORE one can take ANY PUBLIC OFFICE.

You have to be a serious inept, retarded ass not to see that.
Not sure I follow you (completely) and not sure what that has to do w/ what I posted.
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Old 05-07-2008, 04:00 PM
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Just to tell you that the "duty" thing is one reason out of many many many that this essay is complete garbage. I assume you posted in, and I read your post in, a light talking about weather "citizen" was an "office" or a "class."
In terms of "voting as a franchise", I know that neither of these sources has the weight of case law, but you may be interested in the fact that in the first paragraph of Wikipedia, suffrage is defined as a political franchise:

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Suffrage (from the Latin suffragium, meaning "voting tablet", and figuratively "right to vote"; probably from suffrago "hough", and originally a term for the pastern bone used to cast votes) is the civil right to vote, or the exercise of that right. In that context, it is also called political franchise or simply the franchise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffrage
There is also Black's Law, 2nd Edition (see attached), where we have defined the term "Elective Franchise" as "the right of suffrage; the right or privilege of voting in public elections."

Voting is a franchise.

The government may tax its franchises in whatever way it desires.
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Old 05-07-2008, 04:59 PM
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My research begins here:

...a serious inept, retarded ass...



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Duh, duh, duh
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:17 PM
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What are all the positions of a typical republic jural society in America? I am aware of peace officers, justice of the peace, and county register/recorder of deeds.

Are there any more? Are there any treatises or writings on the matter?
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:57 PM
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Voting...

Voting is a franchise.

Franchise involves privilege granted by the State.

Being a citizen gives one the right to the privilege of voting (since the voting privilege can be taken away).

Rights... are property rights.

All this learned through George Gordon.
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Old 05-08-2008, 04:49 AM
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In many Communist countries, and in places like Australia, voting was/is actually a "duty"..

No, what you are discribing is a "legal obligation".

Just because there is no legal obligation to vote in US elections, doesn't make it any less a duty or one of the public functions that one's citizenship is used to preform (and this is only one amoung other duties the Office of Citizen has):

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DUTY...

2. It differs from a legal obligation, because a duty cannot always be enforced by the law; ...

5.-3. He has duties to perform towards others. He is bound to do to others the same justice which he would have a right to expect them to do to him.

-- Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856)



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In the U.S., the government regards voting as a taxable franchise.

Which is to say, something different than a natural right.

It is a political right and a public function.

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Franchise \Fran"chise\ (? or ?; 277), n. [F., fr. franc, fem.
franche, free. See {Frank}, a.]
1. Exemption from constraint or oppression; freedom; liberty.
[Obs.] --Spenser.
[1913 Webster]

2. (LAw) A particular privilege conferred by grant from a
sovereign or a government, and vested in individuals; an
immunity or exemption from ordinary jurisdiction; a
constitutional or statutory right or privilege, esp. the
right to vote.

[1913 Webster]

Election by universal suffrage, as modified by the
Constitution, is the one crowning franchise of the
American people. --W. H.
Seward.
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3. The district or jurisdiction to which a particular
privilege extends; the limits of an immunity; hence, an
asylum or sanctuary.
[1913 Webster]

Churches and mobasteries in Spain are franchises for
criminals. --London
Encyc.
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4. Magnanimity; generosity; liberality; frankness; nobility.
"Franchise in woman." [Obs.] --Chaucer.
[1913 Webster]

{Elective franchise}, the privilege or right of voting in an
election of public officers.
[1913 Webster]
--The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48



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Old 05-08-2008, 07:12 PM
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so is the "office of citizen" "Native born" or "Naturalized"?

Actually Lil Bro, it is neither of the two options you provide.

Factually, I am an incorporeal being (spirit) inhabiting a flesh and blood body. I am a citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven; serving the desires of my King Jesus, the Christ; and am only subject to His commands, as He is the Only Potentate.

If you know anything about USPS regulations, then you also know that a Registered Mail document, prior to being received, the receiving person has to provide identification showing that the recipient is in fact who he/she says he/she is, else the carrier must possess personal knowledge of who the recipient is. And once again, I bring to your attention, the matter of the Supreme Court giving announcement of the existence of the Kingdom of Heaven. (Justice William O. Douglas). The particular case was dealing with 'Race' issues. Of course, you already know what the 'legal' meaning of 'race' is, correct?

In short, I was born of the spirit, and am merely a sojourner in this foreign land. I am here for the purpose of acting as a representative of my King, and providing to others the opportunity to rejoin their allegiance to where it rightfully belongs.

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Old 05-10-2008, 05:40 AM
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so is the "office of citizen" "Native born" or "Naturalized"?

Actually Lil Bro, it is neither of the two options you provide.

Factually, I am an incorporeal being (spirit) inhabiting a flesh and blood body. I am a citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven; serving the desires of my King Jesus, the Christ; and am only subject to His commands, as He is the Only Potentate.

If you know anything about USPS regulations, then you also know that a Registered Mail document, prior to being received, the receiving person has to provide identification showing that the recipient is in fact who he/she says he/she is, else the carrier must possess personal knowledge of who the recipient is. And once again, I bring to your attention, the matter of the Supreme Court giving announcement of the existence of the Kingdom of Heaven. (Justice William O. Douglas). The particular case was dealing with 'Race' issues. Of course, you already know what the 'legal' meaning of 'race' is, correct?

In short, I was born of the spirit, and am merely a sojourner in this foreign land. I am here for the purpose of acting as a representative of my King, and providing to others the opportunity to rejoin their allegiance to where it rightfully belongs.

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.
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Summa Ratio est quae pro Religione facit.
If ever the laws of God and man are at variance, the former are to be obeyed in derogation of the latter.

'Many are the plans in a man's heart,
but it's the Lord's purpose that prevails."
Proverbs 19:21.

"The most important office in a democracy is the office of citizen."
Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1916-1939) referring to the responsibility of voters.
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