The Office of Citizen

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by freebeme

Gee I wonder if there is an office of "Alien" as well? Why not since they are counterparts?

Now that is a idiotic question, bearing in mind all of your legal expertise. Anyone knows that if you are not a citizen of one nation/state then you are an alien in regard to that nation/state. Let me see now, if memory serves me correctly, the position of 'office' falls within the attributes of 'incorporeal being'. Show us further now, how really smart you are. There is also an office of 'state prosecutor'; 'governor'; 'secretary of state'; 'dog catcher'; etc., etc.

"Counterparts"? Why would you make such a statement? Can you give a definition of the term 'office'? Can you give a definition of the term "counterparts"?

There has been over 200 hits on this thread since I posted the original with documentation, with absolutely no comments either approving or disapproving of the information I posted. Now you of all people come back with some dumb butt remark/question; yet you do not deny the validity of my declaration. Without denial, then, of necessity, there is the silent acquiescence to the declaration. Thank you for your kind support of this declaration.

Edited Information: Just to soothe your soul a little, here is proof that those on this forum who acknowledge the 'office of citizen' are not alone in the world that share such a belief; http://books.google.com/books?id=-eU...%22&lr=&pgis=1
Get the book and enjoy the read.

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by freebeme

Well here is a list of ALL of the state civil executive officers in the state of California during the late 1800's. I see no "office of citizen" listed here.

http://books.google.com/books?id=0do3AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=calif ornia+laws#PPA65,M1

My Goodness, what an outdated state. Perhaps the office has sat vacant for a number of years, and has been deliberately obscurred. Here! Feast your eyes on this Educational publication offered by one of the Universities of this great nation. After the screen opens, pay attention to the QUOTATION alongside the photograph.

UhOh. Go ahead now and either accuse this noble institute of higher learning of fabricating information, else accuse this Noble Supreme Court Justice of the United States as being a liar. NOT ME.

http://www.lib.uiowa.edu/govpubs/us/elections.html

PS. Also note, that you provided a list of "..ALL of the state civil executive officers in the state of California.."; Please note, the 'office of citizen' is not a member of the 'executive' branch of government. The 'office of citizen' is a 'private' office, and its' mailing address as well as the identity of the office holder is as varied as there are number of registered 'voters' within your state.

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

[Jerry Pitts]

As further evidence of the existence of the "Office of Citizen", I present the following, taken from;
http://www.jstor.org/pss/3311690


"
That Louis Pollak was destined to be a renaissance lawyer and fill well "the office of citizen" 6 was apparent from his upbringing.
His father, Walter H. Pollak, an associate of Benjamin N. Cardozo until Cardozo went on the bench, was a nationally-renowned appellate and constitutional lawyer whose arguments in Gitlow v. New York7 and Powell v. Alabama 8 will long be remembered as milestones
in the movement toward greater civil liberties. His wife,
Cathy, is the daughter of Louis S. Weiss, a distinguished attorney and, in many ways, the founder of the modern law firm. Louis Weiss gave another dimension to his law firm; in my judgment, one that was even more important.

He insisted that lawyers who represented the major corporations and the wealthy must also have an
equal concern for the basic human values that make our country distinctive, and how our society would provide true equality for the poor and the minorites. For lawyers are the linchpin that makes our society, based upon private property and individual and human rights work, in a peaceful manner. After all, we as a diverse people
have handled many explosive social issues that would have split asunder other societies and yet only once in 202 years have we failed to do so peacefully. Lou Pollak and I both began our legal careers working for the law firm that his father-in-law helped shape."

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by Little Brother 192

That is some really crappy proof Jerry.

It is more than you came up with in your denial of the existence of such an office.

That just goes to show, that YOU cannot prove a negative, can you?


Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

[aksis]

Jerry, here's the same quote from a different Justice:

"In a democracy, the highest office is the office of citizen."

-- Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter

But that's just another one of those "kooks"... "Office of Citizen?!?!?!".... what a "kook" Felix Frankfurter was...


I can't see the Office being priavte... private in the public.. just seems out of whack with the Constitution and general principles of Articles of Incorporations and the like...

People I can see as private... meaning men and women not functioning in the public or in other words, not in the State, without it.


Magnanimously,

Christopher Theodore: Rhodes

[Jerry Pitts]

Notice and Inquirry‏
From: Jerry Carlos (eradicatecorruption@hotmail.com)
Sent: Mon 5/19/08 7:10 PM
To: citizens.services@mail.dc.state.fl.us; divelections@dos.state.fl.us; Webmaster (webmaster@floridajail4judges.org)
Attachments: Gary Perr...pdf (178.5 KB)

Dear Mr McNeil and Ms Bronson:

As can be seen from the letter attached, I find myself in dire need of the input from both of your offices in order to make future determinations relating to situations such as that listed below.

It is my sincere desire to adhere to the Laws of this state, in the most exemplary manner that I can personally muster from the directions of my Lord and King, Jesus the Christ. His authority as the Omnipotent Creator and King of kings, the only Potentate, places Him above even the Laws of this state. However, God is a Loving God, and He desires that we all live in peace with one another, He also advises in a message to His Disciples and Ambassadors '
16. Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17. But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18. And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19. But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.', therefore, leaning not on my own understanding, but rather adhering to the counsel of My King, King Jesus, I come seeking the counsel of those that are foremost in knowledge regarding the secular laws, I turn to your office for advice. Your office, being subordinate to the office of 'We the People', and being even more subordinate to the Sovereignty of God.

I have posted, below, a copy of the letter that is being sent in response to the letter of inquiry that was sent to me by an inmate that is being held in the custody of the State of Florida. The letter of inquiry is shown at the top of this communication as an attachment.

Please advise what steps need to be taken, in regard to allowing those inmates that express such a desire as indicated in the attached letter, to receive written material from our organization that will assist them in their eventual return to the community as productive citizens of the same.

Thanking you in advance for your time and consideration in this matter.



Jerry Carlos Pitts (autograph on file with the Secretary of State Division of Elections)
Chairperson, Florida J.A.I.L.4Judges (PAC)
243 Michael Scott Drive
Tallahassee Florida 32310

"The most important office in a democracy is the office of citizen."
Louis Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1916-1939) referring to the responsibility of voters.
******************


FloridaJ.A.I.L.4Judges (PAC)

243 Michael Scott Drive

Tallahassee, Florida, 32310



Gary Perrot 308341

MAYO CORRECTIONS INSTITUTION

8784 West U.S. 27

MAYO FL 323066

Re: Your letter dated 5-15-08

Dear Mr. Perrot:

First, allow me to express my appreciation for you havingshown an interest in the affairs of the Florida J.A.I.L4Judges (PAC), and ofyour willingness and desire to be of assistance to the organization.

Before I go any further into this letter, I must advise youthat the FloridaJAIL4Judges (PAC) (hereinafter “FlaJ4J”), is not in thebusiness of advancing any type of legal theory, or of offering any type oflegal advice. If your concerns are in any way related to the subject matter ofneeding ‘legal assistance’ or ‘legal counsel’, then I must advise you tocontact the Florida Bar, and make inquiry with their Attorney referral servicein the hopes of attaining that needed counsel or advice.

Based upon the return address of your communication, it isonly apparent that you are presently confined in one of the States’Correctional facilities, and as such are immediately construed as being underthe care and custody of the State of Florida.It is also within my understanding that members of the select group of men andwomen, which you are a part of, have within their reach, the ability to accesscertain approved communications and literature that has been previouslyapproved by the State of Florida for the use of its’ ‘inmate’ population. Atthis present time, I am uncertain as to whether or not the informationavailable from the FlJ4J meets the criteria of those information orcommunications that have received a prior approval by the State of Florida orany of its’ agencies or political subdivisions.

As you are obviously aware of the situation involving one ofour members (Nancy Jo Grant), you should also be aware of the fact that NancyJo Grant was acting outside the duties of her office as a member of the FlJ4Jthroughout her personal campaign that resulted in her current situation.Therefore, in keeping within the stricture of the internal rules of operationwithin the FlJ4J, and keeping in compliance with State Law(s), Codes, Rules andRegulations as they pertain to Political Action Committees, and as in yourcase, the Departmental Rules of the Department of Corrections, I must adviseyou; that until such time as we receive written authorization, from both theDepartment of Corrections for the State of Florida, and from the Secretary ofState, Division of Elections, that this organization cannot and will notsolicit the assistance of those that are in custody of the State of Florida, andthat this organization will not forward to any of those ‘select men and women’(inmates in the care and custody of the State of Florida), any information thatwould potentially jeopardize the workings of the FlJ4J.

The above statement does not in any way, suggest that we arenot concerned about the health, and welfare of those that are incarcerated, butrather, simply means that we cannot advance a cause for the establishment ofpenal and or administrative assessments against members of the Judiciary fortheir corrupt actions, when in fact we, ourselves would be found indisobedience to existing law, code, rules and regulations by performingparticular acts that are suggestive of violating those same codes, rules,regulations and or Law. We will however, listen to your concerns as they arereported to us, and we will adhere to Federal Law (Title 18 USC Misprision ofFelony) and make report, of any known felony crimes to be reported, to theappropriate authorities. You and your fellow inmates are not abandoned in thiscause. That is one of the many duties of any Citizen of the United States, and the Moral obligation of anycitizen adhering to any set of Religious doctrine.

With much regret that I am not privileged at this time tomeet your request;

I remain.

Respectfully



Jerry Carlos Pitts

Chairperson, FloridaJ.A.I.L.4Judges (PAC)

CC: with attachment of your communication.

(hand delivered to Secretary of State main office on May 20, 2008 and by email on May 19, 2008)

Florida Secretary of State, Division of Elections DivElections@dos.state.fl.us

Attn: Kristi Reid Bronson, Chief

Bureau ofElections Records



(delivered via US Mail on May 20, 2008 and by email on May 19, 2008)

Florida Department of Corrections citizens.services@mail.dc.state.fl.us

Walter A. McNeil, Secretary

2601 Blair Stone Road
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-2500



(delivered via e-mail on May 19, 2008 for the purpose of placing in the publicdomain.)

Webmaster

www.floridajail4judges.org

[mrg]

Originally Posted by Little Brother 192

Felix was a total *******.

...case law?

As are you.

"Case law" is a crock.

As are you.

"Case law," legislating from the bench, is but vulgar opinion forced by an Imperial ruling junta upon an ignorant and/or fearful/weary and conquered domestic population by heavily armed corporate mercenary troops.

[jeagas68]

Originally Posted by netwrkranger

Voting is a franchise.
Franchise involves privilege granted by the State.
Being a citizen gives one the right to the privilege of voting (since the voting privilege can be taken away).
Rights... are property rights.
All this learned through George Gordon.

From what I understand as a citizen/federal personnel it is an office, but not an elected office e.g. Elector.
5 USC 552a(13)
Note for the illiterate; If the United States is a Corporation 28 usc 3002(15) ... duh-hugh, it must be a office position to be a citizen.

The only place I can think of where elected offices are defined right now is 26 USC 3401(c), but the whole elections and voting arena is a different title probably that I just don't remember right now.
Each STATE is it's own Brokerage house of citizens/federal personnel providing duties of the warehouse.
There is so much evidence of this it is rediculous!

This big case won in Wilmington, NC recently dealing with traffic tickets of no registration or inspection stickers nails in the coffin on this whole issue. Alot of times we lose consciousnous in all the Patriot Propoganda putting out there that is screwing alot of peoples lives up.

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by jeagas68

From what I understand as a citizen/federal personnel it is an office, but not an elected office e.g. Elector.
5 USC 552a(13)
Note for the illiterate; If the United States is a Corporation 28 usc 3002(15) ... duh-hugh, it must be a office position to be a citizen.

The only place I can think of where elected offices are defined right now is 26 USC 3401(c), but the whole elections and voting arena is a different title probably that I just don't remember right now.
Each STATE is it's own Brokerage house of citizens/federal personnel providing duties of the warehouse.

This big case won in Wilmington, NC recently dealing with traffic tickets of no registration or inspection stickers nails in the coffin on this whole issue. Alot of times we lose consciousnous in all the Patriot Propoganda putting out there that is screwing alot of peoples lives up.

As I stated earlier, it is a 'private office' which has the capacity to function in the 'public' without any danger of intervention by those 'public ministers/officers'.

The public ministers/officers realize this fact, and thus the reason why 'voting' records are 'confidential' and free from inspection by anyone other than those authorized by law to do the counting, registration, etc. I do not necessarily agree with the concept of 'registration' for the purpose of voting, but I can at the same time, see the benefit of this action. The registration process is a tool implemented by Legislative action that ensures that there will NOT be any votes cast by men or women who are not authorized to cast a vote... ie.. such as foreigners that are upon the soil of this nation.

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

[Shoonra]

Some people seem determined to ride Frankfurter's metaphor to the bitter end.