FBI Raid of Liberty Dollar office and mint

[Rlynne]

Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.


We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.

The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people’s hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.


I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled... if ever... it now all depends on our actions.

Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don’t let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.

Please forward this important Alert... so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.

Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!

If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php

Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.



Bernard von NotHaus

Monetary Architect

[Extramural]

This should serve as a Notice to anyone planning to mint coins.

If you plan to mint coins, you will also need guns, manpower, and the will to die to protect it.

Be advised.

[ss_stealth]

Wasn't there an apparent "raid" for Liberty Dollars a year or so ago that turned out to be a hoax? I went to the Liberty Dollar's homepage and there wasn't a mention of the raid.

[Shoonra]

More than a violation of 18 USC 486, about private forms of currency, the NORFED/"Liberty Dollar" enterprise was operating as a warehouse bank. Essentially, people were parking their (real) money there -- where it was invisible to the IRS, creditors, ex-wives and the like -- and then withdrawing it (minus a service fee) by returning their NORFED funny money for a refund.

The National Barter Exchange got into a similar hassle about 20 years ago. One of its big shots was operating a very obvious warehouse bank, saying that he kept the records in code and hidden in a very secret place, and that he destroyed all correspondence almost immediately. People would deposit their money with him, and thereafter send instructions to use their money to buy money orders payable to their landlords or whatever, for which he'd charge a service fee. After a few years of this, he very inconsiderately died. It turned out that all of the money deposited with him had been put in a safety deposit box at a regular bank, in one lump sum all in his name. Nobody every found any of the secret records he was keeping. So the money in the safety deposit box all went to his family. However the IRS did take a sincere interest in all the warehouse bank customers whose letters kept arriving at his office.

[Rlynne]

enterprise was operating as a warehouse bank. Essentially, people were parking their (real) money there -- where it was invisible to the IRS, creditors, ex-wives and the like -- and then withdrawing it (minus a service fee) by returning their NORFED funny money for a refund.

I have dealt with Liberty Dollars over the years. You purchase the Liberty Silver Dollars and or silver certificates then redeem them for merchandise or service at merchants that accepts them.

You can give the certificates as gifts and the receiver can redeem them for silver coins by mailing them to the mint or a Liberty Dollar representative.

Norfed don't do exchanges for Federal Reserve Notes. I found myself with quite a few Liberty silver $20s and needed to redeem them, my only option was to go to a silver and gold exchange. They paid me the going rate per ounce for the silver coins.

[Shoonra]

Originally Posted by Rlynne

Norfed don't do exchanges for Federal Reserve Notes. I found myself with quite a few Liberty silver $20s and needed to redeem them, my only option was to go to a silver and gold exchange. They paid me the going rate per ounce for the silver coins.

This is the exact opposite of what NORFED was promising in its advertising a few years ago.

It confirms my advice that con-artists who try to peddle worthless paper on the pretence that it is as good as real money will insist on getting real money in payment and never accept their own funny money for anything.

If you got paid the going rate for gold and silver for the NORFED slugs, then you almost certainly lost quite a bit of money in the deal, because NORFED coins are about thirty percent more expensive than not only the market price for bullion but also the govt's price for its own Silver Eagles and Gold Eagles.

[rottweiler]

You got it backwards you dope. If Liberty was giving specie for paper that is waaaaaaay better than the private Fed will do. Anybody with half a brain would take the Liberty Dollars over the FRN if the FRN's were not being forced on us at the barrel of a gun that is.

Specie is money, FRN's are worthless paper backed by nothing you dip$hit. It is a simple matter to buy products with the Liberty Dollars just like FRN's if you want to avoid the premium. The Liberty Dollar is backed by specie and the FRN is backed by hot air from bigmouth pagan attornies like you and enforced by bullies. That makes you a thief Shoonrat. Not only that the dollar has collapsed 40% since 2001 whereas specie has outgained the Dow by 400%. That is the real reason they were raided you lying ...... Have you no shame at all?

Dealers were selling Silver Eagles for 30% over spot until the recent price spike and proofs are even more. The mint sells all kinds of high priced stuff. Not only that but coin dealers charge outrageous prices for dubious collector coins that are misgraded.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/eco...everything.htm
They stole $20,000,000 of Liberty's gold and silver from the Sunshine Mint's vaults. It is a simple case of robbery and we know who the thieves are.

Originally Posted by Shoonra

This is the exact opposite of what NORFED was promising in its advertising a few years ago.

It confirms my advice that con-artists who try to peddle worthless paper on the pretence that it is as good as real money will insist on getting real money in payment and never accept their own funny money for anything.

If you got paid the going rate for gold and silver for the NORFED slugs, then you almost certainly lost quite a bit of money in the deal, because NORFED coins are about thirty percent more expensive than not only the market price for bullion but also the govt's price for its own Silver Eagles and Gold Eagles.

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by rottweiler

Not only that the dollar has collapsed 40% since 2001 whereas specie has outgained the Dow by 400%.

I heard that dollar's collapse is more like 60%..

[rottweiler]

Originally Posted by psholtz

I heard that dollar's collapse is more like 60%..

In the same time frame someone who had held on to a Liberty certificate would not of lost any buying power at all while retirees on fixed income are gettin hammered and the working slob's pay has remained stagnant. That is why the Fed raided Liberty. That 60% tanking of the dollar was a tax they couldn't steal from the holder of the $10 Liberty.

[Shoonra]

So far, the only source of information about this purported FBI raid, even for the few newspaper repeating the story, is Von NotHaus's own e-mail.
The NY Sun managed to locate Bernard Von NotHaus in Miami, not Evansville where the Liberty Dollar operation is HQ'd. The FBI and other govt agencies will not confirm his story.

I'm pretty sure that some unpleasant facts will soon break loose.