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Old 12-20-2007, 07:42 AM
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Lakota News

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317548,00.html

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WASHINGTON — The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.
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Old 12-20-2007, 07:49 AM
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Looks like the alphabet soup brothers could be turning the dogs loose before long
How can they have gas stations, grocery stores, etc . . . that accept other forms of payment besides FRNS ?

Pretty interesting article
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Old 12-20-2007, 10:06 AM
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How can they have gas stations, grocery stores, etc . . . that accept other forms of payment besides FRNS?

Back to wampum I guess. Or maybe their casinos will start dealing in gold and silver!

Stereotypes aside, I already thought the indian lands weren't really US property? Guess I'm wrong. This would certainly be an interesting development. It would be a nice exercise run to see how having parts of the US become sovereign states again goes.

But if the US properly conquered these lands it'll be interesting to see how they deal with this.
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Old 12-20-2007, 11:26 AM
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The Feds will crack down seeing that according to a few SCOTUS decisions that stated that Native American lands were legally "terra nullius" vacant and that the inhabitants had "right of occupancy" vs ownership... Johnson v. McIntosh, 8 Wheat. 543,

This was further refined by Worcester v. Georgia, 6 Pet. 515 (1832), when the Supreme Court declared that the Cherokee Nation possessed "its right to elf-government," even though it was "dependent" on the United States. Justice McLean concurred, saying, "At no time has the sovereignty of the country been recognized as existing in the Indians, but they have been always admitted to possess many of the attributes of sovereignty." McLean went on to question whether there could be any end to this "peculiar relation": "If a tribe of Indians shall become so degraded or reduced in numbers as to lose the power of self-government. the protection of the local law, of necessity, must be extended over them."

United States v. Kagama, 118 U.S. 375, clearly states that indigenous sovereignty is almost a nullity, declaring, "...Indians are within the geographical limits of the United States. The soil and the people within these limits are under the political control of the Government of the United States, or of the States of the Union. There exist within the broad domain of sovereignty but these two." The Court did not base its assertion of a broad federal power over Indians on any clause of the Constitution, but on the "right of exclusive sovereignty which must exist in the National Government." The Court went on to state, "The power of the General Government over these remnants of a race once powerful, now weak and diminished in numbers, is necessary to their protection, as well as to the safety of those among whom they dwell.

Here is the link at the UMass website where I obtained this information. Indian sovereignty is pretty much a smoke and mirror matrix.

http://www.umass.edu/legal/derrico/sovereignty.html
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Old 12-20-2007, 06:17 PM
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Possession of property is the lien as long as they are no longer dependent on the US and renounce them properly. They must form a government and be completely independent. If they are willing to give up the booze and checks it can be done just the same as anyone else doing it.

"The idea of sovereignty was not associated in the Teutonic mind with dominion over a particular portion of the earth’s surface; it was distinctly personal or tribal; and so was their conception of law." Taylor, Science of Jurispr. 133.

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Old 12-27-2007, 09:26 AM
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I heard Russell Means interviewed last night on FREETALKLIVE, he stated that they are not "seceding" from the Union because they are not part of the Union. I believe he mentioned that the US Government holds their land in trust and something to the fact that the Tribe will Lien the property. He also stated that all Libertarians are welcome to join as long as they renounce their U.S. Citizenship.

Russell's website can be found here;
http://www.russellmeans.com/

And if you look around on the free talk live website you might be able to find yesterdays show
http://www.freetalklive.com/

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Old 12-27-2007, 09:29 AM
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Actually here is the direct link

http://www.freetalklive.com/files/means.mp3
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