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Old 01-07-2008, 08:31 AM
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Remember, there are two "governments"

The federal corporation, a absolute tyranny, has the legal right to govern their territories and possessions however they damn please.

Your country is where your rights are.

Here's an interesting article I just ran into:

We Are All Prisoners Now

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
January 5, 2008

At Christmas time it has been my habit to write a column in remembrance of the many innocent people in prisons whose lives have been stolen by the U.S. criminal justice (sic) system that is as inhumane as it is indifferent to justice. Usually I retell the cases of William Strong and Christophe Gaynor, two men framed in the state of Virginia by prosecutors and judges as wicked and corrupt as any who served Hitler or Stalin.

This year is different. All Americans are now imprisoned in a world of lies and deception created by the Bush Regime and the two complicit parties of Congress, by federal judges too timid or ignorant to recognize a rogue regime running roughshod over the Constitution, by a bought and paid for media that serves as propagandists for a regime of war criminals, and by a public who have forsaken their Founding Fathers.

Americans are also imprisoned by fear, a false fear created by the hoax of “terrorism.” It has turned out that headline terrorist events since 9/11 have been orchestrated by the U.S. government. For example, the alleged terrorist plot to blow up Chicago’s Sears Tower was the brainchild of a FBI agent who searched out a few disaffected people to give lip service to the plot devised by the FBI agent. He arrested his victims, whose trial ended in acquittal and mistrial.

Many Europeans regard 9/11 itself as an orchestrated event. Former cabinet members of the British, Canadian and German governments and the Chief of Staff of the Russian Army have publicly expressed their doubts about the official 9/11 story. Recently, a former president of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, said in an interview with the newspaper, Corriere della Sera (November 30, 2007), that “democratic elements in America and Europe, with the Italian center-left in the forefront, now know that the 9/11 attack was planned and executed by the American CIA and Mossad in order to blame the Arab countries, and to persuade the Western powers to undertake military action both in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

It is unclear whether Cossiga was being sarcastic about the opinion of skeptics or merely reporting what people think. I have written to him asking for clarification and will report any reply that I receive. Apparently, the Italian media has not offered a clarification.

Cossiga’s statement has not been reported by a single U.S. newspaper or TV channel, raising doubts among Americans that the government is not a strong point of the corporate media. Americans live in a world of propaganda designed to secure their acquiescence to war crimes, torture, searches and police state measures, military aggression, hegemony and oppression, while portraying Americans (and Israelis) as the salt of the earth who are threatened by Muslims who hate their “freedom and democracy.”

Americans cling to this “truth” while the Bush regime and a complicit Congress destroy the Bill of Rights and engineer the theft of elections.

Freedom and democracy in America have been reduced to no-fly lists, spying without warrants, arrests without warrants or evidence, permanent detention despite the constitutional protection of habeas corpus, torture despite the prohibition against self-incrimination–the list goes on and on.

In today’s fearful America, a U.S. Senator whose elder brother was a military hero killed in action can find himself on the no-fly list. Present and former high government officials, with top secret security clearances, cannot fly with a tube of toothpaste or a bottle of water despite the absence of any evidence that extreme measures imposed by “airport security” makes flying safer.

Elderly American citizens with walkers and young mothers with children are meticulously searched because U.S. Homeland Security cannot tell the difference between an American citizen and a terrorist.

All Americans should note the ominous implications of the inability of Homeland Security to distinguish an American citizen from a terrorist.

When Airport Security cannot differentiate a U.S. Marine General recipient of the Medal of Honor from a terrorist, Americans have all the information they need to know.

Any and every American can be arrested by unaccountable authority, held indefinitely without charges and tortured until he or she can no longer stand the abuse and confesses.

This predicament, which can now befall any American, is our reward for our stupidity, our indifference, our gullibility, and our lack of compassion for anyone but ourselves.

Some Americans have begun to comprehend the tremendous financial costs of the “war on terror.” But few understand the cost to American liberty. Last October a Democrat-sponsored bill, “Prevention of Violent Radicalism and Homegrown Terrorism,” passed the House of Representatives 404 to 6.

Only six members of the House voted against tyrannical legislation that would destroy freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and that would mandate 18 months of congressional hearings to discover Americans with “extreme” views who could be preemptively arrested.

What better indication that the U.S. Constitution has lost its authority when elected representatives closest to the people pass a bill that permits the Bill of Rights to be overturned by the subjective opinion of members of an “Extremist Belief”.

– Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury for Economic Policy in the Reagan administration. He is credited with curing stagflation and eliminating “Phillips curve” trade-offs between employment and inflation, an achievement now on the verge of being lost by the worst economic mismanagement in U.S. history.
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Old 01-07-2008, 09:43 AM
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Bob, I hope that you understand by now that the presumed nexus between the state and feds is the 14th amendment citizenship "compact".
Yes, I understand the fraud.

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It is this nexus which trumps the 9th and 10th
I don't agree, the Constitution trumps presumption.

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Until each individual in the legislature of a state corrects his/her nationality to that of their own state's nationality by also cancelling their 14th Amdmt citizenship, there will be no 9th or 10th Amendment

With THEIR citizens in place, The District of Criminals has made a federal overlay within each of the states, i.e. Federal Area, Enclave, etc. . .
More likely when the states refuse to obey, based on a plain reading of the Constitution. Additionally, U.S. v. Lopez doesn't seem to support your view.
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Old 01-07-2008, 10:04 AM
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Yes, I understand the fraud.

I don't agree, the Constitution trumps presumption.

More likely when the states refuse to obey, based on a plain reading of the Constitution. Additionally, U.S. v. Lopez doesn't seem to support your view.

Bob, if you have an SSN, a DL, are registered to vote etc . . , and are actively using it, you are presumed to be one of "their citizens".

As far as the system is concerned, you have no beef with them no matter how much you protest, because you have not rebutted the status presumption

Because the 14th Amndmt was implemented through martial law, and because the operations of it obfuscated the LAWFUL body politic of state citizens, then you are presumed to be declaring allegiance to the UNLAWFUL 14th amendment body politic and are a rebel

This is how they justify the silent war powers on you

Show me how you can use U.S. v. Lopez in an income tax case

You can't because there are adhesion contracts you will not cancel
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Old 01-07-2008, 11:41 AM
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Bob, if you have an SSN, a DL, are registered to vote etc . . , and are actively using it, you are presumed to be one of "their citizens".

As far as the system is concerned, you have no beef with them no matter how much you protest, because you have not rebutted the status presumption

Because the 14th Amndmt was implemented through martial law, and because the operations of it obfuscated the LAWFUL body politic of state citizens, then you are presumed to be declaring allegiance to the UNLAWFUL 14th amendment body politic and are a rebel

This is how they justify the silent war powers on you

Show me how you can use U.S. v. Lopez in an income tax case

You can't because there are adhesion contracts you will not cancel
Please provide evidence, i.e., court cases, that supports your views regarding tax cases. I don't believe you can, because the corrupt judiciary will not permit it into evidence in order to prejudice (keep them ignorant) the jury. However, I feel it is the potential jury pool (you, me, and we the people) that might make a difference, if we choose to do so. A good example of this is the Kahre trial, with 161 counts, yet not one conviction. I know Kahre had a hung jury on some counts, however, the jury didn't just go along with the government's propaganda. In my humble opinion, this is the course to freedom, not necessarily more, hidden, and complex paperwork.
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