courts I just got my first presentment

freemyggle · #1 01-17-2008, 03:49 PM

but the thing is that im flat broke. the presentment is a citation for an incident that i heard about, but was not me. i dont know if it was an individual with the same name, or someone used my name to get out of a bind. the fine hasnt been determined yet, but regardless i'd rather give out 100 bucks in mailing and notary fees the 1 buck to the govt. Im dying to send in a CA4V, but once again im flat broke, and i haven't made my informational filing in my home state. So what is my remedy? does anyone have a solution that will cater to my poor financial situation? damn them scumbags used my property without my expressed written permission. god i hate being broke. please help

David Merrill · #2 01-17-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by freemyggle

but the thing is that im flat broke. the presentment is a citation for an incident that i heard about, but was not me. i dont know if it was an individual with the same name, or someone used my name to get out of a bind. the fine hasnt been determined yet, but regardless i'd rather give out 100 bucks in mailing and notary fees the 1 buck to the govt. Im dying to send in a CA4V, but once again im flat broke, and i haven't made my informational filing in my home state. So what is my remedy? does anyone have a solution that will cater to my poor financial situation? damn them scumbags used my property without my expressed written permission. god i hate being broke. please help

I hope you can afford an envelope and a postage stamp.

Write Refusal for Cause across the presentment and make a copy, including the envelope, and mail it back. Take it to the post office. Do not close the envelope. Ask the clerk to rounddate your copy - make it clear you want to have some evidence you mailed it and when. So close the envelope and get a rounddate on your copy. If you have a notary friend get a true and correct copy of the R4C.

If you can spring for the Certificate of Mailing in whatever form. $1.05 postage by stamp on both your copy and the R4C, getting the red rounddate on both stamps.

Here is a frugal clerk instruction if you have an evidence repository.

Regards,

David Merrill.

freemyggle · #3 01-17-2008, 10:04 PM

But the fact that I have already chosen UCC redemption conflicts with some of the information you give. I know you dont believe in that sort of practice, but even though i'm wet behind the ears, it is what I've chosen and must stay within (at least for now) my scope of understanding things and try to implement my remedies as were explained to me. I don't have all of my ducks in a row, so I will probably just go into dishonor on this one. My past experiences tell me that because it is only a sumary offense the penalty shouldn't be that bad. It would take me upwards of around $100 to successfully deal with this matter. As I understand things, I can try CA4V, I have all the docs, but I never made my public notice by filing an "informational in lieu of" filing of my UCC-1 in my home state. I would probably sneak it by because it is only a summary offense at the magistrate level, but I don't have anything to secure notary fees and registered/certified mail. The walls of commerce are closing in on me. Damn......I really need a jobby job

David Merrill · #4 01-18-2008, 03:00 AM

Yes indeed. I always say you cannot Accept and Refuse at the same time.

freemyggle · #5 01-18-2008, 08:58 AM

I was just over @ yahoo/groups with people who believe the same things I do and they are picking me apart, like insulting me because of my lack of knowledge. I really dislike internet gangsters. The men and women in sui juris are very kind and helpful and most of you aren't even into redemption from the ucc aspect. Please forgive me for the following remark, but if I could be face to face with some of those "individuals", I would go into full dishonor! I was a man of the street, now I found within me the desire and drive to change, and I reach out anywhere I can find for help, and get slapped in the mouth. Whatever tho, to each his own. If I can help someone, I will, if I can't, I won't even reply to their post.
Sorry, got carried away there. Anyway, thank you good men and women of sui juris for your hospitallity

freemyggle · #6 01-18-2008, 08:58 AM

Sorry, I double posted

sheisaceo · #7 01-20-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by freemyggle

I was just over @ yahoo/groups with people who believe the same things I do and they are picking me apart, like insulting me because of my lack of knowledge. I really dislike internet gangsters. The men and women in sui juris are very kind and helpful and most of you aren't even into redemption from the ucc aspect. Please forgive me for the following remark, but if I could be face to face with some of those "individuals", I would go into full dishonor! I was a man of the street, now I found within me the desire and drive to change, and I reach out anywhere I can find for help, and get slapped in the mouth. Whatever tho, to each his own. If I can help someone, I will, if I can't, I won't even reply to their post.
Sorry, got carried away there. Anyway, thank you good men and women of sui juris for your hospitallity

Curious. Who is this group on Yahoo?

sheisaceo · #8 01-20-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by freemyggle

I have all the docs, but I never made my public notice by filing an "informational in lieu of" filing of my UCC-1 in my home state.

This I don't know. Please explain or post URL. I know that I have not done this and am ready to.

freemyggle · #9 01-21-2008, 08:14 AM

1. Do I send the doc to the US District court that represents my region?
2. Who is the presentor, the magistrate, or the officer that wrote the citation?
3. Should this doc be printed in blue or black ink?
And I apologize for the previous post, it has come to my attention that ucc-redemption does embrace refusal for cause. So once again thanx for the info!

sheisaceo, I'm not sure I understand what you asked of me, but here is what I believe you were getting at. yahoo groups is a group of people that meets on yahoo, kind of like Sui Juris, but in the 2 rooms I've tried were geared to UCC Redemption and the related issues. From day one I have been met with contempt, plus the site is much harder than SJ to navagate and is in dire need of a good update. But from the outward appearance, I believe that they have a group for pretty much anything that their clientel wish to dicuss. I hope this is what I think you were asking. If not please reword your question

David Merrill · #10 01-21-2008, 11:26 AM

1. Do I send the doc to the US District court that represents my region?

You can open up an evidence repository for the R4C in the US courthouse under "miscellaneous" for $39.

2. Who is the presentor, the magistrate, or the officer that wrote the citation?

The magistrate if the magistrate presented it. The presenter is self-defining but under some circumstances, you want to copy to other parties.

3. Should this doc be printed in blue or black ink?

The "Refusal for Cause" on the presentment should be red magic marker - big writing - conspicuous. The clerk instruction can be printed out in black ink and should have a blue ink signature with a red thumbprint touching it. - On one original. All copies will show the thumbprint black.