Need Land Patent info.

[gldskr]

Thanks trooperdude, er, cutnpastekid you made my day. This is the easiest post I've ever written.

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I agree, make it real dude.

gldskr

[trooper2ls]

The amount of public debt that was attached to my land that I had to pay to the New York State comptroller's office was $2747.50. I have no idea how they arrived at the number, but I can guess by looking at my local tax bill that it was based only on the Section, Township, and Range of the land itself not the improvments. The building that I domicile in is a double boarded timber frame greek revival completed in 1821. Since that time there have been other structures that have been built and torn (or fallen) down. My insurance company has assessed the replacement value of the building at over 15 times the assessed amount listed on the local tax bill. But I can tell you that with real estate the way it is, I could not sell it for that amount.

So how much metal was it you ask? Well considering I did this transaction in the 3rd week of January ... it cost me 3: 1 Troy Oz Maple Leafs, 1: 1/4 Oz Maple Leaf, 1 Morgan Dollar, and 3 Winged Liberty Head Dimes. They based the precious metal values on the spot price of the day and I purchased an assortment of the smaller silver and a few 1/10 Maple golds because I didn't know exactly how much I would need on the day of the trip to Albany.

If I had known gold was going to go up $100 a frickin ounce .. I would have waited a month after purchasing the coins from my local dealer before making that trip.

I'm not a land patent expert or a law expert but I'm relaying a first hand experience in doing this with a disclaimer that it will be different depending on where your land is located.

If you want to sustaintiate the link between public debt and land do you own research for your state. Take a look at your state Comptroller's Annual Report to the Governor of your state. In New York it is listed under taxes receivable, assessments. There is a special trust fund for U.S. Treasury obligations. The reports are public information. Then check out the U.S. Budget to the President and you will see the income from each state trust in that category that matches the number in that trust fund in your state comptroller's report and the you can see where it flows into the Fed ... then check out the section where payments are made to the various international banks. Nice thing about electronic formats is you can search the documents, you don't have to read all 10,000 pages. Learn to use the searches, only truly trust information that you personally reaserch from official sources. I'll I can do is give leads where to look. I'm not trying to write a book or prove anything to anyone... I'm not looking to turn up dead or become an example or target because I'm on a soapbox pointing out these things. Ron Paul is doing a good enough job on his own.. That is his business, not mine.

..J

[trooper2ls]

Recent photo attached...those who know me well do call me dude. I guess I must have been from N. Cali in a former life... and I have friends there in this one...

Don't hurt yourself laughing gldskr It's all good.

..J

[gldskr]

rooperdude

Since we all know that you are computer literate, why don'cha upload that $2747.50 bill for our perusal. That would surely enhance our knowledge.

Originally Posted by rooperdude

I'm not a land patent expert or a law expert but I'm relaying a first hand experience in doing this with a disclaimer that it will be different depending on where your land is located.

Its not different rooper, the land patent is the same everywhere. It is an authorizied Act of Congress signed by the President. There is no discrepancy or confusion. The underlying treaties may be different, but the result is the same.

Originally Posted by rooperdude

If you want to sustaintiate the link between public debt and land do you own research for your state. Take a look at your state Comptroller's Annual Report to the Governor of your state. In New York it is listed under taxes receivable, assessments. There is a special trust fund for U.S. Treasury obligations. The reports are public information. Then check out the U.S. Budget to the President and you will see the income from each state trust in that category that matches the number in that trust fund in your state comptroller's report and the you can see where it flows into the Fed ...

C'mon rooper this is a cop out. You've talked the talk, now its time to walk the walk. The only way to substantiate your claims is to provide the evidence. If you've already done these things why should I have to reinvent the wheel, show us the docs. We're all on the edge of our seats dude, frothing at the mouth, waiting for your silver bullet. Do I have to hold my breath or what?

Originally Posted by ooperdude

I'm not trying to write a book or prove anything to anyone... I'm not looking to turn up dead or become an example or target because I'm on a soapbox pointing out these things.

We understand this, but you have done something noone else in the history of the world has ever accomplished and out of curiosity we would like to know how you did it.

By the way, my word proccessor has a bullsh!t meter, that's why your handle is being diminished. I don't want to call you the cutnpastekid, but heh, its outa my control.

gldskr

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by trooper2ls

It depends on where your land is located and if it was originally granted or conqured. Each property has unique challenges as I understand it. My property is in New York and was easier than most due to the fact it was (and still is) a Holland Land Company lot. This land was purchased from the Seneca tribe back in 1789 and has clear title all the way back to that point.


..J

Additionally you review the charters, to help define the current disposition of the land upon which you are suae potestate esse.

http://friends-n-family-research.inf...probation1.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.inf...probation2.jpg
http://friends-n-family-research.inf...probation3.jpg

I received an interesting email snapshot of a conversation (to which I am not part) - but intend to take up the challenge of connecting the dots so to speak. It may as indicated, be in fact, a treasure map! Actually I will include this as yesterday's Crosstalk to the Suitors:

Dear Suitors;

I was enjoying a home church style pot luck dinner and a couple had just returned from Virginia (I think) where they had seen a museum display of one of the original four Magna Charta parchments. I thought to ask if they heard any mention of the Treaty of 1213 or any mention that the Pope had nullified the Magna Charta? No. They were a little baffled, having seen the original in a sense entitled them to a little expertise on the subject but my mention of this bit of surrealism prompted the wife to say, "The Pope has no authority to do that!"

Recently I got an interesting snapshot of an email conversation:

It will take me a few more hours to read these documents and find the interlinking referred to and meanwhile it is the last line that keeps me pondering. As I ponder the GATA project for instance, it keeps me circling around to the same old slap-in-the-face about Academia and its teachings. Catherine Austin, who I was pretty acute with when the fullpage Wall Street Journal accusation came out (at over $.25M) has a very impressive resume. It would seem that she is unwilling to dispel that miseducation for my version of reality...

http://www.gata.org/washington/speakers

As with the expert author the GATA investigation depends on.

http://www.gata.org/files/IMFGoldSwa...rApril2006.pdf

I am not finding any set dates off the bat, but when these speakers get to Washington I suspect they will find Congress sternly referring them to what is already obviously on the record:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releas...1207assets.htm

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releas...0108assets.htm

The foundational paragraph in the 2006 Paper quoted above simply tells me that currency is being borrowed against gold in stock. These institutions promise to pay it back in full and if they do not, then of course the credit is granted, extended for a longer amount of time and often enough, forgiven if it is determined that sustainability is not realistic for that debtor nation. At which time the account is remanded to the Club de Paris, a non-organization arm of the UN's IMF that seems to be magically* in authority to do so:

http://www.clubdeparis.org/en/

That still leaves what was lent on the promise of the gold - Credit.

What is the basis of that credit. It would seem that the entire Academia believes that credit is created out of thin air. It is simply trusting payback. I will show you how this New Deal form of Credit began:

(attachment Government bonds)

and for all those "good" Americans who endorse private credit from the Fed:

(attachment Congressional Record)

In other words the purchases you make on credit have a naturally occurring First Lien by the Treasury - this is the endless credit ceiling that Congress has with the Fed - as long as it is okay with all those people out there in America to keep endorsing the backs of their paychecks, Congress can keep bumping up the credit ceiling. Likewise, these debtor nations indenture their people to the UN's IMF on an international World Bank scale.

This chattelizing of human flesh is somehow so unthinkable - so surreal if I may - so contradictory to the Academic American Way, that a whole vast majority of educated men and women seem able and even willing to ignore the real timeline in this soon-to-be reconciled universe where only one reality can exist. - That is to say, the timeline of the Knights Templar and the Bar associations of the world under the International Bar Association located there with the Inner Temple in the Sovereign and Independent City of London.

I collected a couple photos along the way that suggest the Bar Association not only lays claim to the Magna Charta (myth?) but seems to be actually giving the Magna Charta memorial, on the northern bank of the Thames, a formal funeral:

(attachments MC Memorial and Attorneys mourning it?)

I am offering this reality check as substantial food for thought. I am proposing that without understanding that beyond a mythology to be defeated in our world history, that we are simply on the right track by establishing ourselves distinct from the admiralty, based primarily on the redemption of lawful money and escaping the personal myth of legal name as the accompanying artifice to elastic currency of the Fed. [I came to some new understanding lately about coins in my video about the 1984 article - in that they do not have Federal Reserve markings anywhere. Probably something many of you caught first time around...]

You can read along with the video computer voice if you missed it before:

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/convincing.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...06869308133588


I mentioned to you all recently about the suitor who got her zero balance setoff from Chase after authorizing redemption of the bill as a coupon. One of you brought it to my attention that I have not shared this process in my broadcasts. It produces a Statement the account has been cleared, I gather that is just CYA on the CC attorneys' part. The report is however that clearing credit rating is a matter left up to you [albeit a bit of a mystery to me why to bother - if you clear credit this way, and you go back into debt, you have overcome any bad faith argument - in other words, it is like all those credit card offers when you have gone into bankruptcy - you cannot do this twice over time.] and that the CC company will simply sell your "debt" outstanding to the nastiest collectors out there anyway. So with that warning I am attaching a little about it. http://www.suijuris.net/forum/succes...r-coupon.html?



Regards,

David Merrill.


* Research shows that this magic is actually a form of yet another alternate reality wherein the holder of the Treasure of Jerusalem is trustee of God's Kingdom of Heaven. Guardians of the Grail by J.R. Church and Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Michael Baigent [Senior Editor of Freemasonry Today] both document the history of the Treasure. It is the documented Bloodline of Jesus Christ that traces his ancestry through Mary (the Magdelene) to have settled in France. France and America engineered the Secret Jamaica Rambouillet Accord piggybacked on the Amendments to Bretton Woods Agreements in 1976. This Accord formed the IMF Fund which is a fictional basket of currencies (SDRs = Special Drawing Rights = paper gold) based in the international gold reserves mentioned in the current Assets reports linked above - still earmarked at $42.22/ounce gold.

[trooper2ls]

I don't want to jump the gun here.. but I don't have the land patent yet... I'm still having to meet the 60 day public notice requirement for challenge of title rights.

I haven't been able to scan docs because my old lino scanner is in storage while my house in under construction right now. We are "camping" in the house while we are restoring it and most of our belongings are stored while this is taking place.

Its not different rooper, the land patent is the same everywhere. It is an authorizied Act of Congress signed by the President. There is no discrepancy or confusion. The underlying treaties may be different, but the result is the same.

Maybe someone can shed some light on this... a quote from the FAQ page on the BLM website:

http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/FAQ.asp

Q. What's a land patent?
A. Land patents document the transfer of land ownership from the federal government to individuals. Our land patent records include the information recorded when ownership was transferred.

My property was purchased by Robert Morris from the indians and subsequently sold to the HLC who then subdivided it and sold it to the settlers. This pre-dated any federal involvment so after reading that Q & A now I'm a little confused about the existance of a patent for my property in the first place. To even further complicate the issue now I have discovered that there was a fire in 1911 that destroyed most of the early archives that were held by the State of New York.

[Elsie]

I'm still learning to manuver this site. I did not mention that I live in Texas. I have a copy of the original Land Grant certified. I also have a Declaration of Land Pantent and ran NOTICE that I was accepting contract of this Land Patent.

Thanks for all the Information, so far.
Elsie

[deacon]

If you go to 1215.org and click on "Law Notes" then "land Patents" there is a helpful book on the subject.

[bella]

Hello..I am also new to this site..I have a question. I have a Land Patent on my property in california and I have an unlawful detainer case coming up. How do I avoid from getting evicted??

[Special11]

How come you cant use a "deed of trust in a land patent sandwich?