What do you people think about this?

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by trooper2ls

I believe this was by design. Historically if you look at what happened during WW2 the Jews as a race/religion were murdered and robbed. This puts them in the underdog position in the eyes of the average world citizen. Prior to WW2 jewish people were loathed as a whole because of the activities of those at the top. After WW2 they were viewed as "those poor people who were almost wiped out".

Do you know what the word "Nasi" means to a Jew?

I'll bet Shoonra knows..

[rottweiler]

I don't believe you know what love is.

Some people think pledging their children into slavery and vaccinating their children is love. I don't think so.

Are you aware there are more than Ten Commandments?
There are hundreds of them. They are listed in the Old Testament and repeated again in the New Testament.

Matthew, chapter 5
"17": Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

"18": For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

"19": Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

"20": For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Here is one that applies to fiat currency.

Deuteronomy, chapter 25
"13": Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and a small.

"14": Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small.

"15": But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

"16": For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Loving your neighbor is not the Law. It is a abbreviation of the Law. Lack of willfulness is a defense for breaking the Law but ignorance is not.

Originally Posted by sheisaceo

Rottwieler, FYI, the ten commandments did not come from God. If you polarize all that is good, loving and positive and all that is bad, hateful and negative, then this is how you find God...and satan.

The TRUE two edicts for everlasting life delivered by Jesus and in an open crowd (which is where you can consider this to be truth because it was witnessed by many) is to:

Love God

and

Love Thy Neighbor

(in the book of Luke)

and this encompasses everything. Where the Ten Commandments are all thou shall NOT do this and thou shall NOT do that, the above two edicts are DO this and DO that thus the evidence of polarity.

It's Occam's Razor at its finest.

Happy God Hunting! He is here!

[David Merrill]

Trooper had it nailed on his first post here. The Elite as he calls them diverting attention away from who they really are. Rottweiler has the odds figured correctly, that it is way beyond coincidence and Shoonra is rather a racist in bias, being a Jew (Sussman writing for the ADL) to attribute Jews with a super-economics genius.

Here's a clue...

http://friends-n-family-research.inf...cle_Page08.jpg


Regards,

David Merrill.

[rottweiler]

Mark, chapter 7

1: Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
2: And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.
3: For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, HOLDING THE TRADITION OF THE ELDERS.
4: And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
5: Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the TRADITION OF THE ELDERS, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
6: He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7: Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8: For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9: And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10: For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12: And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13: Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
14: And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15: There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16: If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17: And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18: And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19: Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20: And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21: For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22: Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
24: And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.
25: For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
26: The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27: But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
28: And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
29: And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
30: And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.
31: And again, departing from the coasts of Tyre and Sidon, he came unto the sea of Galilee, through the midst of the coasts of Decapolis.
32: And they bring unto him one that was deaf, and had an impediment in his speech; and they beseech him to put his hand upon him.
33: And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;
34: And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened.
35: And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain.
36: And he charged them that they should tell no man: but the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal they published it;
37: And were beyond measure astonished, saying, He hath done all things well: he maketh both the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak.

[sheisaceo]

Ok, Rott, if you ascribe that every single word in the Bible is gospel and truth in fact then you also ascribe that man is infallible because man wrote it as inspired by God but it was still subject to translation and approval of man in charge.

It became simple to me in studying the bible that every word said in a loving, positive and good way was delivered directly to me from God. You could perform your own test on this because it is the individual level and not for the collective then at this point.

So, do you believe that every single word in the Bible is truth in fact then?

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

If anyone's interested, this is a clasic sort of passage in the NewTestament that tells us something about the culture of Jesus & co.

1: Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
2: And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

Why? Because...

3: For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, HOLDING THE TRADITION OF THE ELDERS.

The writer was explaining an informative point to later generations of (possibly) Gentile readers who might not understand this.

5: Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the TRADITION OF THE ELDERS, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Why indeed! Does anyone really think these 'Pharisees' expected an alien to follow their OWN rules? Maybe they were just busybody missionaries in the jungle somewhere...but I think not. Jerusalem is very close to Galilea.

[robhalford88]

Originally Posted by trooper2ls

Robert, I don't see how your question or opinion would cause trouble... "useful idiots" .. I like that .. I guess we all fit that description in one way or another.
..J

The thing is, I have been jumped on before here, because of statements I have made. Got into quite a flamewar for no reason too. That is why I prefaced my statement in that manner, plus, not being a christian, some may think I am insulting their beliefs.

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

You are guaranteed to be a jew or christian, unless you are a gentile. Its not a religion, in this sense. If your name is "Halford", which sound Anglo, you come from Judeo Christian cultures.

I am of Anglo Celtic blood, but I am no christian or jew.

I am what I say I am and my yes is yes, my no is no.

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Now we know somebody who played hooky from Sunday School.

And the same person ditched regular school as well.

Well Bernie, ya nugget, I would be more than glad to pit my knowledge against yours on any day, at any place.
Also, I am NOT a person, I am a man, living, of flesh and blood.

Been insulted by better than you to.

Try again, you didn't even scratch the surface.

patheticattemptnugget

Originally Posted by farmer_giles_of_ham

If anyone's interested, this is a clasic sort of passage in the NewTestament that tells us something about the culture of Jesus & co.

Why? Because...

The writer was explaining an informative point to later generations of (possibly) Gentile readers who might not understand this.

Why indeed! Does anyone really think these 'Pharisees' expected an alien to follow their OWN rules? Maybe they were just busybody missionaries in the jungle somewhere...but I think not. Jerusalem is very close to Galilea.

If I am correct, the references to the traditions of the elders is to the alleged oral laws of Moses, which when transcribed became the talmud.

Am I correct anyone?

[sheisaceo]

Originally Posted by robhalford88

If I am correct, the references to the traditions of the elders is to the alleged oral laws of Moses, which when transcribed became the talmud.

Am I correct anyone?

I can't answer that but I would like to put this to you that when Moses broke the tablets containing the ten commandments, that he saw what was NOT from God and not because he was frustrated with the people worshipping Baal.

This is in support of my contention that the Mosaic law is in fact supplied from the Devil himself. Whoever said that a burning bush was God? We can do that in movies now!

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

Originally Posted by robhalford88

I am of Anglo Celtic blood, but I am no christian or jew.

I am what I say I am and my yes is yes, my no is no.

Ever listen to George Gordon? You might find him informative.

Words mean things, but they mean different things to different people, at different times and places.

For me, when I read

I am of Anglo Celtic blood, but I am no christian or jew.

I see contradiction. Its like saying, "I am Anglo Celtic but I am not Saxon or Gaelic" um OK- just that to my ears it's confusing.

I am not talking about 'status', where ones yeas and nays are paramount.


One of my passions is history and anthropology (I like observing people), so from that point of view "Anglo Celtic" is Judeo Christian: its not Slavic, or Turkic, or Middle Eastern, or Chinese, or Mediterranean. The history of the Western Fringe is entirely traceable to the Hebrews of the Bible and Ancient Phoenicia/Israel

(I didn't say "exclusively")

Here is only a minor example:

Scottish Declaration of Arbroath 1320 CE:

The Text

We know and from the chronicles and books of the ancients we find that among other famous nations our own, the Scots, has been graced with widespread renown.

They journeyed from Greater Scythia by way of the Tyrrhenian Sea and the Pillars of Hercules, and dwelt for a long course of time in Spain among the most savage tribes, but nowhere could they be subdued by any race, however barbarous.

Thence they came, twelve hundred years after the people of Israel crossed the Red Sea, to their home in the west where they still live today.

The Britons they first drove out, the Picts they utterly destroyed, and, even though very often assailed by the Norwegians, the Danes and the English, they took possession of that home with many victories and untold efforts; and, as the historians of old time bear witness, they have held it free of all bondage ever since.

In their kingdom there have reigned one hundred and thirteen kings of their own royal stock, the line unbroken a single foreigner."

"Greater Scythia" is around the Black Sea- right where the Bible records the movement of the 'lost 10 tribes'

I mean, "Galilee"= Gaelic = Gaul= Galatian= Galician...

Apparently these 'Scots' found it relevant to mark their history by the history of Israel in the Bible. What were they thinking!?

Why are so many of the early Christian writings addressed DIRECTLY to ancient Celtic and Germanic peoples, identifying them as "our estranged brethren scattered abroad" (yes I can cite that if asked)

Jesus told his disciples "Go ONLY to the lost House of Israel". Take it or leave it, but documented history shows that the first 12 apostles went STRAIGHT, without hesitation, like they knew EXACTLY where they needed to go: to these same Celtic and Germanic folks.

Looks like a duck...

[psholtz]

Very interesting post about the Declaration of Arbroath.

However, I'm not seeing a connection between the Scots and the Children of Israel there.

It just seems like the Declaration using the "passage through the Red Sea" as a timemarker.. not implying that the Scots themselves were the ones who crossed through the Red Sea?

Correct me if I'm wrong..