The American Bar Association

[hardtoremember]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

Nonsense. The International Bar Association (IBA), which has a website, was established in 1947, not by the monarch but by the legal professional guilds of the UK, the US and some other countries. The IBA does not license lawyers, the applicants for membership are already admitted to the profession in their home jurisdictions. The IBA exists to educate lawyers about certain topics of multinational law and enable them to contact lawyers in foreign countries for facilitating such cases. There are fewer than a thousand American lawyers in the IBA.

You'll notice that this source didn't bother to put a date or any details to the purported creation of this British Accrediting Register or whatever it is called. No historical source is referenced for this. There are plenty of books on the history of the legal profession in England or in America and no such organization or institution is mentioned. Moreover, it is clear that the word "bar" to signify the legal profession was in use before the 16th century, and when it is used there is no indication that it is an acronym or that it ought to be in all-caps or with periods or anything like that. Scholars are unanimous that the bar really was a bar - a wooden railing or barricade that separated on-lookers from the "well" of the courtroom, and only the actual participants in the court process - the judge and the lawyers permitted to practice in that court - were admitted within the bar. Eventually the little architectural gesture was used to identify the profession itself. One more thing, something in the 16th century would more likely be called English than British. Although the monarch might elevate a lawyer to be a judge, it was the Inns of Court who decided who was and wasn't admitted to the legal profession, and there are some instances of the Inns refusing to recognize a monarch's "nominee" to the profession.

And because this is on a website, it must be true. I will have to shuffle through some of the evidence I have to show you are incorrect and the website globalcompetitionforum is either in error, or simply doing what lawyers do best in lying. I also posted to the Admin some information and a little excersize I challenge ANYONE here to do and find that you cannot get a HONEST answer from these thugs.

HTR

By the way... it is absolute nonsense that the planets rotate around the sun, they MUST rotate around the almighty Earth.... anyone saying different should be burned at the stake for such a horrible crime.

[hardtoremember]

They may be different "entities" today, but dont you find it curious these common phrases, common dates, common, common, common. I think thugs like to call this "a pattern of behavior".

Before regulation (Hmmmm interesting)


By the mid-sixteenth century (Interesting Period in "Law" huh? ) there were two branches of the legal profession - barristers, and attorneys and solicitors. Traditionally solicitors dealt with landed estates and attorneys advised parties in lawsuits. Gradually, these two roles combined and the name solicitors was adopted.

Although there were many eminent solicitors, there were also 'pettifoggers and vipers' disgracing the profession.
Formation of the Law Society
In 1823, several prominent attorneys met to call for the formation of 'The London Law Institution' to raise the reputation of the profession by setting standards and ensuring good practice. This would be housed near the Inns of Court. By 1825 the term 'London' was dropped from the title to reflect the Institution's national aspirations.

The Society was founded on 2 June 1825, when a committee of management was appointed. The Society acquired it's first royal charter in 1831, and opened a new building in Chancery Lane, in 1832. A new Charter in 1845 defined the Society as an independent, private body servicing the affairs of the profession like other professional, literary and scientific bodies.

Development
The organisation became known colloquially as the Law Society although its first formal title was 'The Society of Attorneys, Solicitors, Proctors and others not being Barristers, practising in the Courts of Law and Equity of the United Kingdom'. In 1903 the Society changed its official name to 'The Law Society'.

Women were first admitted as solicitors in 1922 and today account for over half the admissions to the profession.

Over the years, the ruling Council of elected office holders and members has grown in size. Seats have been created to reflect the composition and interests of the members. Originally 25, today there are 105 Council members.

Regulation
Discipline - In 1834, the Society first initiated proceedings against dishonest practitioners. By 1907, the Society possessed a statutory disciplinary committee, and was empowered to investigate solicitors' accounts and to issue annual practising certificates.

In 1983, the Society established the Office for the Supervision of Solicitors to deal with complaints about solicitors. The Society now operates a Consumer complaints Service to help consumers with complaints about solicitors.

You can view further information on regulating solicitors.

Admission and continuing professional development - Lectures have been delivered in the Law Society's Hall since 1835. Better legal education was essential to improve the status of the profession. The Solicitors Act of 1860 enabled the Society to create a three-tier examination system. In 1903, the Society established its own school of law, which later became the independent College of Law. By 1922, a compulsory academic year was required for clerks.

Today, the Society maintains its validating and monitoring role for undergraduate and postgraduate education, training contracts and compulsory continuing professional development.

You can view information on becoming a solicitor.

Representation
The Society's representational role was a strong one from the beginning. The scrutiny of legislation and lobbying with the aid of solicitor MPs enabled the Society to develop a special relationship with government on law reform and the formulation of legal policy. The Law Society was determined to ensure that the Royal Courts of Justice were built close to the London headquarters.

The opening of the Brussels office in 1991 marked a significant response to the importance of the European Union.

The Society continues to work towards influencing law.

Services
In the prospectus of 1823, the Society promised a Library and a dining club.

A registry for articled clerks, now Law Society Recruitment, was opened in 1832. Communications were much improved by the publication of the Law Society's Gazette from 1903.

By 1959 advice to members on costs, professional practice and office management was offered. The Strategic Research Unit was founded in 1988 publishing analytical and factual information about the profession. Six regional offices, plus an office in Wales, provide services and support locally to solicitors. Offices are planned for the remaining regions in England.

View further information on products and services.
Further reading

* Brand, Paul, The Origins of the English Legal Profession, Blackwell, 1992.
* Brooks, CW, Pettyfoggers and Vipers of the Commonwealth: the “Lower Branch” of the Legal Profession in Early Modern England, 1986.
* Kirk, Harry, Portrait of a profession: a history of the solicitors' profession 1100 to the present day. Oyez, 1976.
* Sugarman, David, A Brief history of the Law Society, Law Society, 1994.
* Sugarman, David, Bourgeois collectivism, professional power and the boundaries of the state: the private and public life of the Law Society 1825-1914. International Journal of the Legal Profession 1996 (3) pp.81-135.



I am never one to be afraid to admit if I am wrong... I may have some dates wrong, I may even phrase something wrong... but while you thugs try to find these "technicalities" that I make errors in... you try very hard to get others to think that my like minded fellow humans are finding "technicalities" to "evade" paying their protection money etc. You are a king in only one sense... you are the king of double standards... if it suits YOU, then it is right, if it does not... it MUST be wrong and we should make an opinion (law) and force others to do what IIIIII believe is right because it suits ME ME ME.

I challenge you to swallow some ego, admit where you are wrong when you are wrong... forcing another human being to be YOUR way... is wrong... no matter your spiritual beliefs.

[Shoonra]

I try to admit my mistakes promptly, but I don't see where my sketch of British legal history ---- AND esp my blanket denial of an organization or institution called the British Accrediting Registry or something similar with those initials ---- was wrong. I still haven't seen any evidence of a B.A.R.

As for the history of the I.B.A., I have no reason to suppose that it would falsely claim to have started in 1947 if it actually started three centuries earlier. Nor why it woulc claim fewer members or influence if EVERY American lawyer had to join it. But can anyone find a mention of the IBA in anything written before World War Two??

It would seem to me that if the stories about a B.A.R. or the supposed antiquity and authority of the IBA were true, someone could come up with a real source.

[hardtoremember]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

I try to admit my mistakes promptly, but I don't see where my sketch of British legal history ---- AND esp my blanket denial of an organization or institution called the British Accrediting Registry or something similar with those initials ---- was wrong. I still haven't seen any evidence of a B.A.R.

As for the history of the I.B.A., I have no reason to suppose that it would falsely claim to have started in 1947 if it actually started three centuries earlier. Nor why it woulc claim fewer members or influence if EVERY American lawyer had to join it. But can anyone find a mention of the IBA in anything written before World War Two??

It would seem to me that if the stories about a B.A.R. or the supposed antiquity and authority of the IBA were true, someone could come up with a real source.

DANGIT!!! Got me again and again dont you! I believe them and I believe you. There is absolutly NO WAY this group of honest people with honest intentions would EVER lie or try to hide historical facts as it could be incriminating. What was I thinking???!!! OHHH!! and I need to finally admit that one of your corrupt boys in power was really killed with a magic bullet... even though that evidence has been hidden from us stupid people who need you for direction.

I'm sorry. I concede, your right, I'm wrong.

These people writing "rules, regulations, policies, statutes, constitutions, speeches" that carry any type of mythilogical license or title that have gathered and created associations, groups, registries, and many other of the same types over several hundred years have shown nothing but "nobility" in their cause to protect us from ourselves. Their track record in history speaks for itself.

Thank you for protecting me and pointing me the right direction.

HTR

[David Merrill]

There is no association to something called British Accredited Bar. There is no private oath. No need.

Any attorney at the bench will inquire as to your registration number. And he or she will be terribly reluctant to postpone if the Brethren is all prepared for the trial that day. So go into the Bar with your defendant/friend and get it on the record the attorney in the black robe is depriving the defendant of counsel. When the judge asks respond, "I am well read and learned in the law common." That passage from the transcripts is all you need provided the defendant objects and when overruled takes exception for use in appeal. For the rest of the trial, he just blunders and flubbs because he has no counsel to direct him.

Once a young woman on trial was deprived and the judge of course spotted the fatal flaw - depriving her of counsel. So he allowed me to stay, sitting behind her in the gallery where she could easily have conversations with me. At the point where the judge offered to sentence her, he obviously deprived her of counsel, "Do not look at David Merrill. You make this decision yourself without his counsel." It was a large courtroom but I could sense the winking from the bench. She looked at me and I ignored her. She asked me, against his command what she was to do. I made no response. The judge was throwing her the case on appeal.

Sure enough, I was able to file the appeal without her even coming to the courthouse with me. I was her attorney of record so as not to throw the trial court for depriving her of counsel.

It is a private court system folks. That is the secret oath. The codes are copyrighted because the annotations and selection of citations is copyrighted. All one has to do is open the parameters; think a little outside the box for a moment.



Regards,

David Merrill.


P.S. Unfortunately I had a conversation with the plaintiff and she found out about it. She screamed at me about that and I shouted back - we were through talking at all levels and I never found out about the appeal but I doubt it went over well.

[Shoonra]

Well. Now I really don't understand. You concede that an organization (or something) called British Accrediting Registry or something like that doesn't exist. So why do you and others keep writing it out "B.A.R." in all-caps and sometimes with periods??

I have trouble understanding your second paragraph. Who is the "you" being described? On what basis would a person be determined - or determined for himself - that he is "well read and learned in the law common"? And how would this relate to a case that involves statutory law and not common law?

And what is the "secret oath"?

[David Merrill]

Dear Shoonra;


The confusion is what we all have, we tend to clump those with opposing views together. Like me putting you in the general catagory of Quatlosers even though you are not from there.

My perspective is not the perspective of suijuris or even others writing on the forum. You would have to have a pretty good memory to recall exactly what I have said in my posts. But I think reading my post above twice might help.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[RickA]

David, would I be correct in saying that following is what you refer to as yarn?

Once a young woman on trial was deprived and the judge of course spotted the fatal flaw - depriving her of counsel. So he allowed me to stay, sitting behind her in the gallery where she could easily have conversations with me. At the point where the judge offered to sentence her, he obviously deprived her of counsel, "Do not look at David Merrill. You make this decision yourself without his counsel." It was a large courtroom but I could sense the winking from the bench. She looked at me and I ignored her. She asked me, against his command what she was to do. I made no response. The judge was throwing her the case on appeal.

Sure enough, I was able to file the appeal without her even coming to the courthouse with me. I was her attorney of record so as not to throw the trial court for depriving her of counsel.

It is a private court system folks. That is the secret oath. The codes are copyrighted because the annotations and selection of citations is copyrighted. All one has to do is open the parameters; think a little outside the box for a moment.

[mrg]

Originally Posted by Shoonra

So why do you and others keep writing it out "B.A.R." in all-caps and sometimes with periods??

You have written quite eloquently on the use of all caps.

If the "courts," banks, etc., insist on referring to me as JOHN J DOE, it is not to be questioned, however, if I insist upon referring to one of your loved ones as BAR, then you need to question it?

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by RickA

David, would I be correct in saying that following is what you refer to as yarn?

Once a young woman on trial was deprived and the judge of course spotted the fatal flaw - depriving her of counsel. So he allowed me to stay, sitting behind her in the gallery where she could easily have conversations with me. At the point where the judge offered to sentence her, he obviously deprived her of counsel, "Do not look at David Merrill. You make this decision yourself without his counsel." It was a large courtroom but I could sense the winking from the bench. She looked at me and I ignored her. She asked me, against his command what she was to do. I made no response. The judge was throwing her the case on appeal.

Sure enough, I was able to file the appeal without her even coming to the courthouse with me. I was her attorney of record so as not to throw the trial court for depriving her of counsel.

It is a private court system folks. That is the secret oath. The codes are copyrighted because the annotations and selection of citations is copyrighted. All one has to do is open the parameters; think a little outside the box for a moment.

Everything I write is Internet Yarn. That anecdote truly happened. What I mean by Yarn is that I have nothing to lose whether you believe it or not.