This fascinating topic about the torn paycheck boiled over to a related thread...
I am more on focusing on the right to public money. A suitor who is a notable author in macroeconomics says:
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Hi David:
Before making a fruitless trip to the federal Reserve, I called up the CITY NAME Fed and explained that pursuant to 12 USC § 411 I had the right to redeem Fed notes for United States notes.
The converstation was hilarious. I said that I wanted to redeem Fed Notes for United States notes. No one understood what I was asking. I was asked if I had foreign currency or a certificate of some kind or a bond or treasury bill. I said Fed notes for U.S. notes.
I was turned over to one employee after another until I got to a fourth very senior employee who said he never heard of a United States note and that I could only get other Fed notes for Fed notes.
This senior employee then directed me to call an 800 number and this time the head of the department told me that a law that required the Feds to keep 300 Million Dollars of United States notes for the purpose of redeeming Fed notes was repealed and so they do not keep U.S. notes anymore.
I was then asked to contact the Secretary of the United States if I needed any more information. I sent a certified mail to the Secretary asking him where I can get public money more that a week ago. No response yet.
I suspect the use of Fed notes is mandatory.
I do not think that U.S. Postal Money Orders are public money either. All the legislatures only pass public policy statutes in the interest of the nations creditors following the national bankruptcy.
All of our lives, labor, and property have been secretly and fraudulently (because we did not give power of attorney or consent) pledged by the politicians as surety for the national debt which is in default. We are presumed debtors who voluntarily use private credit to discharge debts thus creating an unrevealed commercial contract with the Fed. government and as a result we are bound by all the public policy statutes which are obligations of that unrevealed commercial contract.
But, every system of law must have a remedy and a recourse or else we are all slaves (in violation of the constitutions)
We all must protest the use of private credit and notes.
I routinely stamp both sides of the Fed notes I use with a red ink stamp USED ONLY BY NECESSITY UNDER PROTEST.
A better stamp would be USED ONLY BY COMPELLED NECESSITY UNDER PROTEST, WITHOUT RECOURSE, & WITHOUT PREJUDICE UCC 1-308.
If we were to file class action suits against state legislatures for FRAUD against its citizenry, their defense will be that they provided us a remedy against their public policy statutes in the UCC @ 1-308 & 1-103.
Most people do not know what to say if asked by a public official what they mean by the phrase "Without prejudice UCC 1-308" in conjunction with their name.
The answer:
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I, John Doe, have exercised the remedy provided me under the Uniform Commercial Code at Article I, Section 308 whereby I might timely, validly, sufficiently, and explicitly reserve my common law Right not to be bound by, nor be compelled to perform under any contract, commercial agreement, or bankruptcy in which I did not enter intentionally, knowingly, and voluntarily, and by such reservation of Right, I have notified all administrative agencies of federal, state, and local governments that I do not and will not accept the liability associated with the compelled benefits of any such unrevealed contract, commercial agreement, or bankruptcy, especially including but not limited to the use of Federal Reserve notes to discharge debts in equity with limited liability. My use of Federal Reserve notes is not voluntary, is under protest, and is by compelled necessity as a matter of survival only.
When I hear from the Treasury, I will let you know.
Best Regards
True Name.
I highlighted a couple things.
Every law system has remedy. True in theory. The suitor suspects that FRNs have become mandatory. At least as I see it, those clauses are somewhat contradictory. In other words, he is saying that one must defeat all presumptions one has no remedy with every signature under contract law (the UCC). I am saying that is a cumbersome obligation.
I want to see it pressed that one not only has the right to public money from the moment they start using the non-endorsement stamp; one can retroactively defend against the presumption of private credit in the first place.
I am sure that if Shoonra was to put her mind to it she could find many Supreme Court cases that declare for all intents and purposes, the party making the presumptions without explicit good faith on the other party's part, is the one who must capitulate should it cause a dispute.
Along these lines:
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It is that simple! Federal Reserve notes are not money and cannot be tendered when money is demanded: 105 So. 305 (1925). Moreover, the Ninth Circuit rejected the argument that a $50 Federal Reserve note be redeemed in gold or silver coin after specie coinage had been rescinded but upheld the right of the note holder to redeem his note in current public money (31 USC 392; rev., 5103): 524 F.2d 629 (1974); 12 USC 411.
Attached is evidence this is true when read by a trained attorney.
Regards,
David Merrill.
P.S. Of course I will be checking the current state of Title 12 (Banking) §411. I admit I have been presuming to this point that code has not been repealed. Even if it has it should guide one clearly to the current remedy in place.
Last edited by David Merrill : 09-20-2007 at 03:59 PM.
Sec. 5112. Denominations, specifications, and design of coins
-STATUTE-
(a) The Secretary of the Treasury may mint and issue only the
following coins: (significant material removed for clarity)
(8) A twenty-five dollar gold coin that is 27.0 millimeters in diameter, weighs 16.966 grams, and contains one-half troy ounce of fine gold.
(9) A ten dollar gold coin that is 22.0 millimeters in diameter, weighs 8.483 grams, and contains one-fourth troy ounce of fine gold.
I just noticed this and checked - correct. The twenty five should be 2.5 times the weight of the ten, or to be consistent with the rest of the coins, the ten should weigh less. The ten dollar gold piece should be one/fifth troy ounce or 6.78 grams. But what NvLawman posted is correct as confirmed by photos of gold coins I have in my archives.
Confirms my belief for some time that the founders were just as damn dumb as people today.
Levi Philos
Last edited by Levi Philos : 09-19-2007 at 10:47 AM.
Wow, that's great! I've never known FRN's to increase anyone's net worth.
KEWL!
Thanks AndyK!
Welcome Extramural;
I am afraid however that you missed the David and Andy Show live. Enjoy the reruns...
Regards,
David Merrill.
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Originally Posted by Shoonra
It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).
Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.
So FRNs can be redeemed in lawful money either (a) at the Treasury; or (b) at any Federal Reserve Bank.
Does point (b) include any comercial bank participating in the Federal Reserve System?
Is it fair to say that if the fiction that private credit is voluntary becomes unsustainable, then the obligation to make a return of income is voided?
So FRNs can be redeemed in lawful money either (a) at the Treasury; or (b) at any Federal Reserve Bank.
Does point (b) include any comercial bank participating in the Federal Reserve System?
Is it fair to say that if the fiction that private credit is voluntary becomes unsustainable, then the obligation to make a return of income is voided?
Yes, all banks on the corner, for example are included in the definition in the Federal Reserve Act where that stipulation is found.
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Is it fair to say that if the fiction that private credit is voluntary becomes unsustainable, then the obligation to make a return of income is voided?
I am having trouble with that sentence.
If private credit from the Fed is involuntary then I suppose a Return is also involuntary. If private credit from the Fed is voluntary, then should you endorse paychecks, you have become obligated to Return income. If private credit is voluntary, then you may choose to redeem lawful money instead, and not be obligated to Return income. Supposing you boss is paying Withholdings, then you should file a Return Form (1040) to get those Withholdings returned and then show that Refund to your boss so that the IRS does not get the interest on those funds over the next tax year.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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Originally Posted by Shoonra
It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).
Are there any banks in the U.S. which do *not* participate in the Federal Reserve System?
What about credit unions?
To be a bank you must own some stock in the Fed. Stock in the Fed are Federal Reserve (Bank) Notes. Hopefully it will dawn on more than one of you...
If you endorse private credit from the Fed under the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, then you are a bank. Redeeming lawful money is the way to get out of banking.
Someone reading here PM'd me because of some of the content. These are general comments from that:
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I think this information is really important to get out to the public at large.. if even a small fraction of the people there started to non-endorse their private credit from the Fed, we could effect a huge, huge change in this world.. and possibly stop these madmen currently in power from blowing up the planet altogether.
Indeed so. I am promoting the 1913 remedy to the presumption you are a banker owing a Return of Income to the Fed every April 15.
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I understand that there is a provision in 31 USC 5115 that limits the amount of US Notes in circulation to $300 million? What happens if we reach that limit (i.e., we reach it because people start non-endorsing their paychecks?) Does the Fed simply vaporize?
The attorney slight-of-hand on that provision is that it is an upper limit; not a lower limit. If they had set a lower limit, there would still be physical US notes in circulation - according to the lower limit.
Ergo, since one can redeem lawful money and that means US notes according to Congress they still exist - metaphysically. This is why I keep referring to US notes in the form of FRNs. Unless of course you have acquired more than $300M of them for yourself, do not bother accounting for the Secretary how many have come into circulation by your non-endorsement.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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Originally Posted by Shoonra
It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).
Without Prejudice.
Hmm just maybe they are called "treasuries".
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 19, 2007
For Information: (202) 874-5770
For Copies: (202) 874-5043
OCC Enforcement Actions
WASHINGTON — The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) today released new enforcement actions taken against national banks and individuals currently and formerly affiliated with national banks.
A list of enforcement actions previously disclosed and copies of the actual documents are available from the OCC's Communications Division by writing to: Comptroller of the Currency, Public Information Room (1-5), Washington, DC 20219. Requests made by facsimile transmission should be sent to (202) 874-4448. Please include the identifying enforcement action number when placing an order. Enforcement actions are also listed monthly in OCC Interpretations and Actions. Subscriptions to that publication are available from the OCC's Communications Division.
The OCC also maintains a searchable database of all public enforcement actions taken since August 1989 on its Internet Web site located at http://www.occ.treas.gov/enforcementactions/.
Cease and Desist Orders
No. Name/Bank/City Date
Illinois
2007-121 The Granville National Bank, Granville 10/10/2007
Civil Money Penalty Orders
No. Name/Bank/City Date
Alabama
2007-122 William R. Justice, Esq., First National Bank of Shelby County, Columbiana 10/18/2007
Ohio
2007-123 Laila Navarro a.k.a Laila Mullah, National City Bank, Cleveland 10/18/2007
Formal Agreements
No. Name/Bank/City Date
Illinois
2007-124 The First National Bank, Mulberry Grove 10/23/2007
Nebraska
2007-125 First National Bank of Lewellen, Lewellen 10/24/2007
Personal Cease and Desist Orders
No. Name/Bank/City Date
Alabama
2007-122 William R. Justice, Esq., First National Bank of Shelby County, Columbiana 10/18/2007
Kentucky
2007-126 Carla Shelley, The First National Bank of Columbia, Columbia 10/12/2007
Ohio
2007-123 Laila Navarro, National City Bank, Cleveland 10/18/2007
Removal / Prohibition Orders
No. Name/Bank/City Date
Alabama
2007-122 William R. Justice, Esq., First National Bank of Shelby County, Columbiana 10/18/2007
California
2007-127 Tate Allen, Armed Forces Bank of California, National Association, San Diego 9/4/2007
Ohio
2007-123 Laila Navarro, National City Bank, Cleveland 10/18/2007
Virginia
2007-128 Laterrika Williams, Capital One, National Association, McLean 10/23/2007
Terminations of Existing Enforcement Actions
No. Type/Bank/City/Old EA# Date
Kentucky
2007-129 FA, First National Bank and Trust, London (EA# 2004-73) 10/10/2007
2007-129 FA, First National Bank and Trust, London (EA# 2006-89) 10/10/2007
New Jersey
2007-130 FA, Yardville National Bank, Yardville (EA# 2005-136) 10/26/2007
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They are called Esquires - of the Crown Templars. Except of course a few intrepid folks up in Montana. They were teaching people how to be private bankers and Leroy Michael put NorWest in that wonderful position with his $200M bank.
Funny how one day a very spiritual lady, daughter of a Senator in fact and I were walking down the street in and she stopped and prayed for the Lord to smote NorWest Bank. She stopped and put her hand on the brick wall and everything. I prayed with her, but wasn't really expecting things to go the way they did. A Mormon fellow took me to Montana and I went through the seminar thinking they recorded all of them. Then I found me asking a question - recognizing my voice, at the 4:00 minute mark.
I wrote the Comptroller Warrant that arrived on the eve of the Montana Freemen Standoff. So if not a registered Esquire I guess that is what they call you, Freeman.
Regards,
David Merrill.
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Originally Posted by Shoonra
It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).
