Money Money Money

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

I mean, you are totally right, about the consequences, but: there is mathematically no usury in this system- the money is created for free, in the economic sense. Inflation naturally amortizes all debts and even the costs, and bankruptcy, civil immunity debt recission techniques high LTV's etc make a lot of money free anyway, plus there are a million subsidies, and there are tax advantages as well, for those who go that route.

So I cant really see how there is actually any usury. But what is the challenge is the payments clause in the contract, to amortize for no reason, when the same banks keep lending the same money anyway on the same property- creates a lot of duplication and hassle, and now, as they choke back a lot of credit, things are getting difficult.

We need a jubilee, wipe out all the papers and start over again based on use and occupancy, homesteading squatting etc.

[Levi Philos]

I agree with Farmer Giles of Ham that we need a Jubilee.

That is something I have written about multiple times.

Jet Graphics is generally correct, but ignores the fact that ownership of the precious metals is already vested with the power centric (powers that be). What are we to do? Storm the vaults and take back by force what was taken by guile?

I submit that a thorough understanding of how money actually functions reveals that other options are possible.

Too many men have died already dragging gold from one hidey hole to another hidey hole while paper circulates in its stead.

Question for Jet Graphics: "Have you read the two Dr Popp books, or any significant quantity of the Riegel material that is available at http://www.reinventingmoney.com in the library?

The Cookie Jar is now available in html format here: http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/books.html

The monetary historian, Alexander Del Mar, prefaced his book entitled “History of Monetary Systems”, (London, 1885) with:

“That which has engaged the attention without harmonizing the convictions of such masterminds as Aristotle, Plato, Tycho, Brahe, Copernicus, Locke, Newton, Smith, Bastiat, and Mill, is surely a study which none can afford to approach with rashness, nor to leave with rashness, nor to leave with complacency. When the principles, which underlie it, are thoroughly understood, money is perhaps the mightiest engine to which man can lend an intelligent guidance. Unheard, unfelt, unseen, it has the power to so distribute the burdens, gratifications and opportunities of life that each individual shall enjoy that share of them to which his merits or good fortune may fairly entitle him, or contrariwise, to dispense them with so partial a hand as to violate every principle of justice, and perpetuate a succession of social slaveries to the end of time.”

(From the Inspired Constitution website)

Levi Philos

[Jerry Pitts]

Levi Philos:

Thank you very much for those links. They lead to an area of study that should be a main course meal for everyone on this forum...IMHO..

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

Originally Posted by Levi Philos

I agree with Farmer Giles of Ham that we need a Jubilee.

That is something I have written about multiple times.

Jet Graphics is generally correct, but ignores the fact that ownership of the precious metals is already vested with the power centric (powers that be). What are we to do? Storm the vaults and take back by force what was taken by guile?

I submit that a thorough understanding of how money actually functions reveals that other options are possible.

Too many men have died already dragging gold from one hidey hole to another hidey hole while paper circulates in its stead.

Question for Jet Graphics: "Have you read the two Dr Popp books, or any significant quantity of the Riegel material that is available at http://www.reinventingmoney.com in the library?

The Cookie Jar is now available in html format here: http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/books.html

The monetary historian, Alexander Del Mar, prefaced his book entitled “History of Monetary Systems”, (London, 1885) with:



(From the Inspired Constitution website)

Levi Philos

[Levi Philos]

If you keep doing what you've been doing - you're going to get the same results as you've been getting. Here's something I wrote in July 2002:

First titled "Visualization Exercise."

Linton magical gas mentioned also. (See btm)

Try to picture money as soap bubbles with dollar signs inside, or whatever currency symbol is in use in your locality.

These soap bubbles are lawfully created by use of expanding gas that expands at an exponential rate.

The soap bubbles are kept in containers of various sizes and composition but resemble barrels, pails and buckets, and sieves, and are moved from container to container by men with pails.

The containers are labeled "trusts", "stocks", "endowments", "off shore accounts", "investment funds", "demand accounts", "pension funds", etc.

Each container is tended carefully by one or more persons according to the size of the container. Some of the largest vats have hundreds of people tending them.

People all over the world are working long hours gathering soap bubbles to put into the containers of their choice. They work at telephones and desks calling other people in efforts to gather soap bubbles. Some merely dig ditches and stewards assigned to care for these less endowed individuals carefully gather worker's soap bubbles and insert them into the large vat labeled "social security."

It has been noticed lately that the soap bubbles are bursting.

Congressperson Butler calls out "The soap bubbles are bursting! Surely we must add certain polymers to the soap mixture so that these bubbles cannot burst."

Congressperson Smiley says "The internal surface of the containers is too rough, we must create a law that says the internal surface be created of the smoothest material known."

Member of Parliament Perfidious Albion yells: "Watch that guy! I just saw him running off with a bucket of small suds!"

Duma member Noxious Nyet notices the sieve: "Who is pouring bubbles into the sieve? Are you prozhektërstvo? (hare-brained schemer)

United Nations representative Au Grande Serieux submits a resolution that the barrels must be assigned Centurions to watch for theft.

All is naught as the bubbles that have been inflated with the magical expanding gas continue to burst.

Economic philosopher Levi Philos points out: Inflate the bubbles instead with magical Gesellian contracting gas */1, */3. When everyone notices the bubbles shrink over time and if left too long completely disappear, then an urgency develops in the care and handling of these bubbles. Some will notice that one or more barrels are merely being poured into while others are extracting and these barrels can be removed from the cycle. Others will notice that stealing buckets of bubbles doesn't work very well because of the shrinkage so that less guards are needed. Entire boiler rooms full of telephone solicitors empty as their managers notice that no shortage of bubbles exists, but smart people are needed to direct and employ these bubbles back into circulation.

Written by Levi Philos */2; This item was prepared with some help from the webpage insultmonger.com http://www.insultmonger.com/insults/...sults_ever.htm CopyLeft Document. Please feel free to copy and post this item anywhere you want to. Take my name off as I do not care to catch any more spam than I do now.

*/1 Named after early 1900s economic philosopher Silvio Gesell who noticed that money was a symbol system for exchanging real stuff by proxy and it would work better if it symbolically displayed the same or greater entropy that real stuff displayed. Unfortunately, Gesell went on to write a book of 450 pages duration as was the common practice of the era, and nobody ever read it because big books were only meant for display in fancy home libraries.

*/2 Levi Philos, infamous compatriot of Ferdinand Feeghoot.

*/3 Conveniently forgetting magical Linton gas, where the bubbles once inflated neither inflate further nor deflate. However, the bubble inflation crew themselves deflate, become flaccid, and finally lie down on the job.