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Old 06-10-2008, 02:15 PM
farmer_giles_of_ham farmer_giles_of_ham is offline
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I mean, you are totally right, about the consequences, but: there is mathematically no usury in this system- the money is created for free, in the economic sense. Inflation naturally amortizes all debts and even the costs, and bankruptcy, civil immunity debt recission techniques high LTV's etc make a lot of money free anyway, plus there are a million subsidies, and there are tax advantages as well, for those who go that route.

So I cant really see how there is actually any usury. But what is the challenge is the payments clause in the contract, to amortize for no reason, when the same banks keep lending the same money anyway on the same property- creates a lot of duplication and hassle, and now, as they choke back a lot of credit, things are getting difficult.

We need a jubilee, wipe out all the papers and start over again based on use and occupancy, homesteading squatting etc.
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Old 06-13-2008, 06:57 AM
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I agree with Farmer Giles of Ham that we need a Jubilee.

That is something I have written about multiple times.

Jet Graphics is generally correct, but ignores the fact that ownership of the precious metals is already vested with the power centric (powers that be). What are we to do? Storm the vaults and take back by force what was taken by guile?

I submit that a thorough understanding of how money actually functions reveals that other options are possible.

Too many men have died already dragging gold from one hidey hole to another hidey hole while paper circulates in its stead.

Question for Jet Graphics: "Have you read the two Dr Popp books, or any significant quantity of the Riegel material that is available at http://www.reinventingmoney.com in the library?

The Cookie Jar is now available in html format here: http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/books.html

The monetary historian, Alexander Del Mar, prefaced his book entitled “History of Monetary Systems”, (London, 1885) with:

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“That which has engaged the attention without harmonizing the convictions of such masterminds as Aristotle, Plato, Tycho, Brahe, Copernicus, Locke, Newton, Smith, Bastiat, and Mill, is surely a study which none can afford to approach with rashness, nor to leave with rashness, nor to leave with complacency. When the principles, which underlie it, are thoroughly understood, money is perhaps the mightiest engine to which man can lend an intelligent guidance. Unheard, unfelt, unseen, it has the power to so distribute the burdens, gratifications and opportunities of life that each individual shall enjoy that share of them to which his merits or good fortune may fairly entitle him, or contrariwise, to dispense them with so partial a hand as to violate every principle of justice, and perpetuate a succession of social slaveries to the end of time.”


(From the Inspired Constitution website)

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Old 06-13-2008, 08:23 AM
Jerry Pitts Jerry Pitts is offline
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Levi Philos:

Thank you very much for those links. They lead to an area of study that should be a main course meal for everyone on this forum...IMHO..

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I agree with Farmer Giles of Ham that we need a Jubilee.

That is something I have written about multiple times.

Jet Graphics is generally correct, but ignores the fact that ownership of the precious metals is already vested with the power centric (powers that be). What are we to do? Storm the vaults and take back by force what was taken by guile?

I submit that a thorough understanding of how money actually functions reveals that other options are possible.

Too many men have died already dragging gold from one hidey hole to another hidey hole while paper circulates in its stead.

Question for Jet Graphics: "Have you read the two Dr Popp books, or any significant quantity of the Riegel material that is available at http://www.reinventingmoney.com in the library?

The Cookie Jar is now available in html format here: http://www.inspiredconstitution.org/books.html

The monetary historian, Alexander Del Mar, prefaced his book entitled “History of Monetary Systems”, (London, 1885) with:



(From the Inspired Constitution website)

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