What Happened At The Drivers License Center

[artificialsteve]

you know, I was involved in this discussion on another post and a couple of members brought it to my attention:: YOU DONT EVEN WANT THE DAMN LICENSE!!!

Make your own ID using a notarized affidavit of truth.....MY GOD....TWO HOURS!!!!! What torment!

Why dont you sue those simpletons and get your moneys worth!!!

Originally Posted by mnchicago

Okay.

Excuse my density here. If one were to do that, my Q
still remains, what happens in the event of being pulled over?

Not denseness, you just have not had the experience yet. (nor have I, I have, however, been bent over far enough to know that I don't like... well, you know)

In the event of you being pulled over, AFTER having served them notice of your novation, giving them an opportunity to deny the novation, with no response, and recording the non-response, thus invoking estoppel on the issue,

THEN,

you would be in the same place as if you had done it before they processed and issued the license.

One word of Caution:

If you are not the legal name, and you don't have a D/B/A recorded, I would do that first.

Search this site for DBA.

Then, you could also novate that you are the "True Name" D/B/A/ LEGAL NAME. That would further remove you from the claim that you are the LEGAL NAME.

Now, I ain't a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV, so, you have to take whatever is written on this board as if a three year old was writing it, and go make sure you have the balls and knowledge to do this.

I am just offering you suggestions on what I would do, should I want to possess a license to drive. (I do not want that).

Just accept a ticket, and then bring the novation to court at ticket time?

If you ever "accept" (If you do not refuse it) a ticket, there is no controversy, correct? You are guilty.

Me, I would never "accept" a ticket. I may write on it:

"No Liability Assumed, No Value Assured, Without Recourse, Character as stated on DRIVER LICENSE."

I do not always connect the dots easily.

Of course I understand you are not advising anyone, or me, to do anything. I am simply interested in learning about those things which are always effective at source, and not merely dealing with symptoms.

Does it work?

You may want to study more before taking such a course of action.

Does it work? Dunno. I prefer not to have a bogus license, rather than to try to doctor one up.

There are some that would say that I am talking out of my posterior.

You decide.

Henry Franklin

Originally Posted by Akira

You can squeeze the DA to issue the order to leave you alone.

Lissen here DA Dawg, You tell your boys to leave me alone, and I won't come in here and embarrass you, Is that fair?

I signed mine "REFUSED" Problem is, now I have to sign all transactions REFUSED when they ask for ID to match my signature. Not all that bad I guess!

[bigdumbguy]

Not yet complete,but you probably catch my drift,guvmint doesn't offer a fair contract,so don't participate,go your own way,in your own way.
Live a long,healthy happy life without giving them any more than you have to,until you can make them go away....

[bigdumbguy]

Originally Posted by bigdumbguy

Not yet complete,but you probably catch my drift,guvmint doesn't offer a fair contract,so don't participate,go your own way,in your own way.
Live a long,healthy happy life without giving them any more than you have to,until you can make them go away....

Ya see,...it's about responsibility , we have become so dependent on the government for everything , that now we can't do anything without their involvement , in turn , they use everything we do as a means to steal money from us in exchange for priveledges ,which just amount to stolen rights.
Don't be lazy , do it the hard way , arrange your life to eliminate as much of their involvement as possible. Enough people do this , and they will be bankrupted and go away . Most of what they supposedly have to offer are un-necessary luxuries anyway , with too high a price tag attached. Get Un-Addicted.

[nralien]

It has been quite some time since I have read the forums view on signatures and I have seen some split between members on the STRAWMAN issue, however…

My experience over a year ago with renewing a driver’s license in California was relatively uneventful. I even used a red pen to sign my name. I signed my name:

ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
By Signature, Agent

Looking at my paperwork and pointing to NON RESIDENT ALIEN one clerk asked me “Is this you?” I said affirming “My name is Non Resident Alien” (which of course sounds the same) and that satisfied her [sounds like court]. Just before they took my picture I signed one of those blank electronic note pads. The clerk viewing the signature in her monitor asked what it said. I told her “All rights reserved, By my authorizing signature, Agent” and added that’s how I sign everything. She took my picture for the license. I requested and received a copy of my application before I left. Admittedly it’s not “certified” or anything and it is just black and white. You can’t really make out the signature on the license I received in the mail. Is an electronic signature really any signature at all?

Of course maybe it would have been a different story if I signed it Without Prejudice.

Everyone here has probably had enough experience to know that waiting on a government response for the law saying you “have to” such-n-such – well, we will all be too old to drive by then, if they ever respond. I personally am not familiar with novation, but I am personally familiar with Akira’s paperwork and results (see Misdemeanor Case Dismissed). Based on my experience, if Akira agrees with HenryBowman that’s good enough for me to check out novation.

nralien
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Mike,

Why do you bother to get one. Ask yourself these questions:

Who is issuing the license, a human or artificle entity?

If you answer human, are not all humans equal?

If you answer yes, then when can one human require another human to get permission from that human?

Can a human, who We allow to run Our governmental system, compell you to sign your name?

I recommend you buy the book "Adventures in Legal Land" at web site http://adventuresinlegalland.com/. It has some very good questions you can ask of the police and the courts.

Another reseach you can get on line is "Invisible Contracts" by George Mercier, ex-Chief Clerk, USDC, Western District of New York. Good explaination on how the courts are using invisible contracts to bypass the Constitution.

Sal Jr
saljrkjmn@aol.com

[mikewb]

Originally Posted by saljrkjmn

Mike,

Why do you bother to get one. Ask yourself these questions:

Who is issuing the license, a human or artificle entity?

If you answer human, are not all humans equal?

If you answer yes, then when can one human require another human to get permission from that human?

Can a human, who We allow to run Our governmental system, compell you to sign your name?

I recommend you buy the book "Adventures in Legal Land" at web site http://adventuresinlegalland.com/. It has some very good questions you can ask of the police and the courts.

Another reseach you can get on line is "Invisible Contracts" by George Mercier, ex-Chief Clerk, USDC, Western District of New York. Good explaination on how the courts are using invisible contracts to bypass the Constitution.

Sal Jr
saljrkjmn@aol.com

I WILL MOST DEFINITELY CHECK OUT THE BOOK YOU RECOMMENDED. I AM CURRENTLY TRYING TO FIND OUT FROM THE OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DEPUTY SEC. OF THE SAFETY ADMINISTRATIONS POLICY DEPT. IN HARRISBURG PA IF A POLICY OR CONTRACT EVEN EXIST? I FAXED THE POLICY DEPT A LONG LETTER, BUT WITH VERY DETAILED QUESTIONS. I AM GOING TO CALL BACK ON THE 5th OF JULY. PEACE OUT! THANKS AGAIN FOR THE FEEDBACK IT IS TRUELY APPERCIATED.

[esse]

Very good book by the way. Marc has such a easy way to ask simple question that makes the bureaucrats chasing their own tail.

I strongly recommend the book for those who are always determinated to seek for more appreach to defend their freedom.