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Old 02-13-2007, 10:38 PM
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Protect Your Assets By Turning Your Mortgage Into a Pledge!

Fellow Patriots,
It seems, from the research I've been doing, that any mortgagor can turn a chattel mortgage into a pledge. If you fail to abide by the mortgage agreement, the mortgagee can take possession of the res, but the mortgagor (now pledgee) may redeem his property at any time by fulfilling the pledge! And furthermore, interest cannot accrue during this time, for the mortgagee has control of the property!

I don't have much case law on the subject yet, but I did a quick google search for "Mortgage into a Pledge" and found a few cases and law journals dealing with this subject.

The Virginia Law Review's publication entitled "The Chattel Mortgage as a Statutory Security" states that:
"Now some courts have held, as we have seen, that a creditor cannot object to the mortgagor turning a chattel mortgage into a pledge"
If anyone has an account with JSTOR, or any other source for this publication, the rest of this document would be appreciated.

A few years ago we lost our family home because we couldn't pay the mortgage after our assets has been liened, our bank accounts levied, and our business license was suspended by Labor and Industries (over frivolous charges). Had we known what we now know, we might have been able to prevent that from happening. Our home sold on the courthouse steps for about $170,000, and now, 2 years later, it is on the market for $459,000.

Anyhow, this would be a great argument to keep up our sleeve. If you can't make your mortgage payments, try to convert it into a pledge. You will still loose possession of the property for a time, but you will be able to redeem the property at a later date, should you so desire!

Thomas Jefferson once said that "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Well, we have done it, we have allowed the private banks to control the issuance of our currency. But this may be the way to beat the bankers at their own game!

All comments, suggestions, questions, and other input is welcome. Lets do some research here and stop/reverse these foreclosures!

Sincerely,
Zach Doty
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Old 02-13-2007, 11:16 PM
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Yep!! Good to know. Thanks for the info.
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Very good. Thanks!

Virginia Law Review, Vol. 25, No. 3 (Jan., 1939), pp. 316-339
doi:10.2307/1067700

I will likely find that at the federal repository and get it into Articles here.


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Fellow Patriots,
It seems, from the research I've been doing, that any mortgagor can turn a chattel mortgage into a pledge. If you fail to abide by the mortgage agreement, the mortgagee can take possession of the res, but the mortgagor (now pledgee) may redeem his property at any time by fulfilling the pledge! And furthermore, interest cannot accrue during this time, for the mortgagee has control of the property!

I don't have much case law on the subject yet, but I did a quick google search for "Mortgage into a Pledge" and found a few cases and law journals dealing with this subject.

The Virginia Law Review's publication entitled "The Chattel Mortgage as a Statutory Security" states that:
"Now some courts have held, as we have seen, that a creditor cannot object to the mortgagor turning a chattel mortgage into a pledge"
If anyone has an account with JSTOR, or any other source for this publication, the rest of this document would be appreciated.

A few years ago we lost our family home because we couldn't pay the mortgage after our assets has been liened, our bank accounts levied, and our business license was suspended by Labor and Industries (over frivolous charges). Had we known what we now know, we might have been able to prevent that from happening. Our home sold on the courthouse steps for about $170,000, and now, 2 years later, it is on the market for $459,000.

Anyhow, this would be a great argument to keep up our sleeve. If you can't make your mortgage payments, try to convert it into a pledge. You will still loose possession of the property for a time, but you will be able to redeem the property at a later date, should you so desire!

Thomas Jefferson once said that "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Well, we have done it, we have allowed the private banks to control the issuance of our currency. But this may be the way to beat the bankers at their own game!

All comments, suggestions, questions, and other input is welcome. Lets do some research here and stop/reverse these foreclosures!

Sincerely,
Zach Doty
www.FightingForLiberty.org

So how would that help someone like myself who is trying to buy my family home from my father but might run into problems paying the mortgage from time to time?
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So how would that help someone like myself who is trying to buy my family home from my father but might run into problems paying the mortgage from time to time?
That's a good question, but if you know you can't keep up with the payment time to time, then don't buy it.
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That's a good question, but if you know you can't keep up with the payment time to time, then don't buy it.

That's just the worst-case scenerio. Thank you.
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That's a good question, but if you know you can't keep up with the payment time to time, then don't buy it.

True to a certain extent, but due to unforseen circumstances you may just run into some trouble futher down the road. All you need is a trip to the hospital and goes your savings. This tactic is useful for when you run into walls such as what I mentioned previously.
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Very good. Thanks!

Virginia Law Review, Vol. 25, No. 3 (Jan., 1939), pp. 316-339
doi:10.2307/1067700

I will likely find that at the federal repository and get it into Articles here.


Regards,

David Merrill.


Attached .pdf file.

I am finding the "recording" aspects much more interesting than your point so I am going to open another thread soon about this very interesting article.


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It is worth noting that the fealty to the Pope, which you cited for its explicit mention of the Templar abbey in Dover, is the legal basis for the invalidation of the Magna Carta after it was sealed at Runnymede.
During discussion about the Treaty of 1213 and the Magna Charta (1215).

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/medieval/magframe.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/john1a.html
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Okay,
I just worked up a short notice which can be sent to the Mortgagee. It is attached as a word document.

Now we just need to write a memorandum in support of this notice. Thanks to David, I now have some material to study.

I'll post back when I write something. In the mean time, please post anything which might be useful in my research!

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Attached .pdf file.

I am finding the "recording" aspects much more interesting than your point so I am going to open another thread soon about this very interesting article.


Thanks!

Thanks for the file Dave.
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