Deceptive IRS spoof on NFTL!

[David Merrill]

One suitor's broker was considering sending a good amount of funds to the IRS agent pestering him about a federal tax lien. I advised the suitor to tell the broker to be sure that he had a confirmation of the Notice of Federal Tax Lien in hand before diverting the funds. He did.

The IRS agent faxed over the confirmation and it was actually the Release of Lien. It said in the explanation:

With respect to each assessment below, unless notice of lien is refiled by date in column (e), this notice shall constitute the certificate of release of lien as defined in IRC 6325(a).

The typical verbiage on a federal tax lien in the form of a NFTL is:

IMPORTANT RELEASE INFORMATION: For each assessment listed below, unless notice of lien is refiled by the date given in column (e), this notice shall, on the day following such date, operate as a certificate of release as defined in IRC 6325(a).

I read it three times to digest it properly and handed it back to the suitor saying, "This is the Release of Lien."

Ain't life wonderful?

http://ecclesia.org/forum/uploads/bo...nt/suitors.zip



Regards,

David Merrill.

[David Merrill]

First I will crosstalk a little commentary:

Originally Posted by Webhick

“You guys are gonna think I'm nuts, but I almost called up the Secretary of State to see if I can get a copy of the tax liens on Ed & Elaine to prove that they were indeed filed with the SOS. Unfortunately, looking at the site, I need money to do the search and I really don't have any I can spare right now. But, it'd be an easy tax lien to get your hands on and would prove that just because a notice of lien is filed with the registry of deeds, doesn't mean that the actual lien is not filed in the appropriate place. I think I'm going to try to save up and give it a go.”

Originally Posted by UGA Lawdog

"No need to bother. David's reading comprehension problem got the better of him. The very New Hampshire statute he was cutting and pasting clearly said that liens on "real" property, i.e. land, are to be recorded at the county level with the recorder of deeds.

The statute only requires that liens for "personal" property be recorded with the NH secretary of state's office. An example would be the lien on your car until you pay off the loan."

Originally Posted by The Observer

"And I would be willing to go out on a limb and save you the search costs and tell you you won't find a notice of lien at the SoS' office for the Browns. The IRS typically only records notices there when they believe that the taxpayer has personal property that is or could encumbered by a UCC filing by another creditor (such as a equipment manafacturer who provides their own financing for their customers).

I can't remember ever seeing that the IRS bothered to file an SOS notice for the purpose of seizing a vehicle. If the IRS can determine through the state motor vehicle records that the car is unencumbered (i.e. paid for), there would be nothing gained from filing the notice."

It is amusing to me that at the very same moment I pointed out to a reporter named Scoop how easy it is to acquit the Browns, even now, at least technically, I am banned from the Website.

Above we find how it is confusing people there. Webhick is the first to raise the question about finding out for ourselves and UGAlawdog jumps in and calls the personal property tax liens against the Browns real property tax liens because it is effecting their home and dental practice (which is probably a rental/lease property anyway. Even if I am wrong about that, the seizure was a practice, not the building so much and the liens are against the personal property of the Brown's.) as personal property tax liens. The resident expert on tax liens, The Observer comes back a bit confused at UGAlawdog's obfuscation for poor Webhick.

Enjoy!!

http://quatloos.com/qforum/viewtopic.php?t=898

Here is what I said to a reporter there named Scoop!

You might want to check that the liens are filed properly by NH law.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uniform/vol7.html#fedln


http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...-B/454-B-2.htm

Oops! The IRS misfiled the federal tax lien against the Browns!

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...3----000-.html

Do you suppose that is what it means when they say Under state law? You see Scoop; there are people around here who believe that if the IRS agent chooses this to the US district court venue, they do not have to abide by the state stipulations for process...

You will probably agree that this pretty much lets the Browns off the hook.



Regards,

David Merrill.

http://quatloos.com/qforum/viewtopic.php?t=894


Webhick also said:

I've checked out a couple of his hangouts and it doesn't look like he's posted anything since he's been banned. I hope he's okay.

Thank you for your concern Webhick. I think you may have looked while I was sleeping late. I am fine. I am very grateful to Quatloos and Wesley Marc SERRA for such a graphic definition of lawful money from the Supreme Court interpreting Congress' definition. That will go a long way.

http://www.iwfbsnewyork.com/jsp2650291.jsp

I suggest you write to UGAlawdog and inquire why the NFTL on the Browns is against the person and not the real property being seized as his personal property, yet it is not a personal property federal tax lien?

UGALawdog
Ugalawdog98@msn.com

Here is his email address because you might not feel like embarrassing all those Quatlosers; I understand you might want to continue fitting in over there.

What happened was when Joey (I think it was Joey) was messing with my Profile, switching off the BBCode (which made cut-and-paste of the above post easy, without login) that I decided to turn on the Response flag. That caused me to see all the posts happening in certain threads on Quatloos and since everybody was either talking about me or interesting stuff to me, I was suddenly creating a flurry of David Merrill around there.

But I enjoy the thought that exposing to a newspaper reporter named Scoop, about how to easily acquit the Browns, was the thing that really got those folks upset.

Check out Joey's hero - on his Avatar.



Regards,

David Merrill.