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Originally Posted by David Merrill
I have been thinking about a post I read on another thread that referred to jurisdictions like planes. In some ways the planes overlap but it is always formed around the party...
... be aware of METRO as a positive law jural society ... many think of that plane (jurisdiction) as the one attached to the soil. However, we have an article, probably written by an attorney, that speaks of the homeowners in a section of town to be governed by a higher law within a smaller territorial boundary. A different plane (jurisdiction). There are townships, parishes, hundreds, Frank pledges etc. METRO is a novel idea built upon UN style combinatorial mathematics and based in unifying municipal policy between all cities worldwide. City of Denver METRO may have Denver city limits; but there is no distinctive boundary between City of Singapore METRO as far as METRO goes.
This jurisdiction-as-planes - fictional overlays on the land - that seems to be a good first component for the Readers to ponder.
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Like the
legal fiction of METRO attempts to mimic, the
state of nature has no boundaries. It needs no document to prove it's existence. It is presumed that it always was, is, and shall be (
if the universe did begin and will eventualy end, it won't be happening anytime soon so it matters very little - that it exists now is not in dispute). It includes all land and, in reality, is the only 'plane (jurisdiction) attached to the soil' as the soil is an inherent attribute of the
state of nature.
The
state of nature is,
de jure and
de facto, the original "jurisdiction".
Without proper perspective grounded in reality, as one contemplates the
abstract fictinal states and their relations to one another, and the relation of the members of these State to one another, there is a danger of mild to severe psychosis manifesting.
One must keep in mind that a Nation or a State, by definition, is a corporation, not a bubble or a plane.
Thus, it would be improper to
imagine a
Nation State like one observes the atmosphere of Earth (which is a "bubble"), and all within it (i.e. the planet), "Earth" - a
natural state.
We had a fun discussion (
fun for me anyways) over at Quatloos (a forum with a team of attorneys who maintain, what they call, "a cyber museum of scams and frauds") regarding the fascinating topic "Reality vs. Fiction", unfortunately the "Political Issues" section at Quatloos has an
auto delete function engaged for threads that are more then 5 days old (I think it is 5?!), and that thread has already been deleted.
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Originally Posted by Vattel
§ 4. In what light nations or states are to be considered.
Nations being composed of men naturally free and independent, and who, before the establishment of civil societies, lived together in the state of nature, — Nations, or sovereign states, are to be considered as so many free persons living together in the state of nature.
It is a settled point with writers on the natural law, that all men inherit from nature a perfect liberty and independence, of which they cannot be deprived without their own consent.
--The Law of Nations
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While Vattel or Hobbs may have intended that the
state of nature is the atmosphere of Earth and all within it (
specifically the planet it self), the reality is that the Universe, a
natural state, that all is within and nothing is without is properly the
state of nature. Granted, the atmosphere of Earth and all within it, "Earth", is obviously a
natural state.
One can take a digital journey from macrocosm to microcosm at this site:
Cosmos - a dimensional journey
I had fun discerning between
natural states and
fictional states as I
zoomed in from macrocosm to the microcosm.
As it would be reasonable to describe each naturally occurring sub-state within the Universe as a
natural state (i.e. a star, a planet, a moon, a continent, a lake, an orange or an apple, etc..), this is what I used to make the distinction. The Milky Way is a type of fiction, and so are the constellations like "Orion" and "Taurus". The stats are real, the name for a group of them is fiction.
According to the model on that site (
Cosmos), the
electron would be the smallest example of a
natural state.
For first hand observation and eye witness testimony one can simply do some star gazing.
While looking, make note that you are, in fact, in the Universe, on Earth (which goes without saying and why I keep saying it).
I have yet to see any proof I am in some "bubble" called the "United States" because I happen to be standing on a particular part of Earth... a few deluded people at Quatloos persist otherwise... like I was saying, danger of psychosis, but being "in the United States" or being "in METRO CITY OF PHOENIX" is to say that one is an Officer or an employee of the corporation. For example, the statement "I am in the Navy" has never meant one was in some imaginary bubble.
Citizen is the title of an Office created by the Constitution (at
Article 1, Section 2.), and so if one is appearing in persona of Citizen, or in other words, one is an Office holder in the political corporation
United States of America, then one would be correct to say they are
in the United States and a member of the
public body or
body politic.
I think some good questions to get clear on are:
When one is doing anything, are they doing it, or are they doing it
in persona of Citizen?
A State ID card identifies one as a Citizen, which is an Officer in the United States of America.
If asked by an Officer for identification, are you identifying your self as you, or the Office of Citizen?
When a traffic ticket is written out, who is it being written out to, you or the Office of Citizen you may hold?
When a summons shows up, who/what is being summoned, you or the Citizen?
Sincerely,
Christopher Theodore: Rhodes
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