Swiss Banks

[netwrkranger]

Coins of numismatic value were not required to be turned in to the Feds per HJR-192. (Not substantiated)

I am looking into developing a model of private business (common law) vs. public business (equity). Perhaps one could model their finances after such entities as the Crown (Queen) of England and the Vatican (my understanding are there are two Crowns, the other being London City). My hypothesis is that these entities use fictions for entering commerce keeping their personal selves (and business) above the fray.

I'm not sure how this would all work as a state national, but you would create a corporation in commerce as foreign entity owned. The corporation would pay taxes (tribute) for entering commerce created by the King (government) being that commerce is considered one of the King's perogatives.

The Royal Perogative
http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib...snpc-03861.pdf

As for your personal life, you want to setup the services you use as self-provided. For example, if you setup the electrical needs of your house to be supplied by solar; wind; and battery, you can eliminate that bill (and contract) out of your life removing that service from the sphere of contract (equity) and back into the private sphere (common law).

Even though contracts are private law, you are creating contracts with corporations who are creations of government. Perfect your titles of ownership by removing the legal and equitable interests of others in your business.

Commerce is a game, pure and simple.

Etymology: Private is derived from Latin privus meaning "one's own, individual".

It will be difficult to be an individual when others have legal and equitable interests and rights in your affairs .

- netwrkranger

[David Merrill]

Exactly what the true name functions for. Like AndrewMitch's friend. If he already deposited the $2M check with a full endorsement, then he just needs to be careful with the signature on his Withdrawal Slips (whatever form).

Redeemed in lawful money pursuant to Title 12 U.S.C. §411

True Name dba NAME ON ACCOUNT

The true name is the name above the fray as you put it. The full or legal name is the corporation for doing business in commerce as.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[andrewmitch]

In January of 2003, the United States Department of Treasury announced a new information-sharing agreement under the already extant U.S.-Swiss Income Tax Convention; the agreement is intended to facilitate more effective tax information exchange between the two countries. Said a Treasury official, "This Mutual Agreement should improve our (Internal Revenue Service) access to needed information" under the terms of the tax treaty.[28]

Swiss bank accounts cannot be opened without the holder signing a legal document asserting that they have no outstanding financial obligations to the IRS.

[netwrkranger]

andrewmitch wrote:

In January of 2003, the United States Department of Treasury announced a new information-sharing agreement under the already extant U.S.-Swiss Income Tax Convention; the agreement is intended to facilitate more effective tax information exchange between the two countries. Said a Treasury official, "This Mutual Agreement should improve our (Internal Revenue Service) access to needed information" under the terms of the tax treaty.[28]

That doesn't sound good =D. I'm of the mind that foreign banks and businesses would refuse to do business directly with a U.S. citizen.

[andrewmitch]

Not sure why you'd think that?

Maybe you can layer protection by creating an IBC?

I'll ask my Accountant and see if I could get an official ruling on the details and then get back to the group.

[netwrkranger]

I say that because of the Patriot Acts and additional paperwork said foreign business or bank has to do on an account due to the status of the U.S. citizen as holder.

[Livefire]

That is true because those banks dont wish to deal with US BS. So they turn away US passport holders.

[andrewmitch]

According to a web site to open up a Swiss bank acct you must have a passport and sign a document stating you are in good standing w/ the IRS.

A member of the BAR told me that even if someone can't see your asset if you are brought into a deposition or court room that you will be asked about all of your assets. If you are caught lying you are screwed.

In asset protection there are 2 stages. Stage 1 is stealth and State 2 is judgement proof. At least this achieves stage 1 and should be enough to at least make it more difficult and expensive for someone to get at you. For example, my members of the BAR will look at a case and see what assets the other party has. If they don't have a lot of assets they may discourage their client from moving forward or not take the case altogether. Point is that they may still be able to get at your account but at least you won't be an easy target.

I'll do some more research on this.

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by andrewmitch

According to a web site to open up a Swiss bank acct you must have a passport and sign a document stating you are in good standing w/ the IRS.

A member of the BAR told me that even if someone can't see your asset if you are brought into a deposition or court room that you will be asked about all of your assets. If you are caught lying you are screwed.

In asset protection there are 2 stages. Stage 1 is stealth and State 2 is judgement proof. At least this achieves stage 1 and should be enough to at least make it more difficult and expensive for someone to get at you. For example, my members of the BAR will look at a case and see what assets the other party has. If they don't have a lot of assets they may discourage their client from moving forward or not take the case altogether. Point is that they may still be able to get at your account but at least you won't be an easy target.

I'll do some more research on this.

I believe that your two stages of asset protection to be faulty - indeed contradictory. You cannot convey assets fraudulently (stealth) and be judgment proof.

I amend:

1) Redeem lawful money
2) purchase assets


Since you paid lawful money, all debt is discharged in the purchase. You hold your assets in allodium.



Regards,

David Merrill.

[andrewmitch]

I don't think how an asset is purchased matters. I believe it comes down to registration vs not registration. So the best thing to do is keep your money at home. But if that isn't practical than maybe a Swiss Bank is the way to go. I do know the worst place to keep assets is in FRN's held in a US Bank.