Swiss Banks

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by weishaupt1776

switzerland signed a tax treaty w/the U.S. back in 1996, so that would be OUT !!

THe irs is so cool they left us a list of countries of where NOT to bank !
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/intern...=96739,00.html

When you see something like the Netherlands on that list, does it include the Dutch Antilles in the Caribbean as well?

[Livefire]

Time for a second passport!

[andrewmitch]

Think of Annuities of Reverse Life Insurance. First, it is financed though an insurance company - it is not equity like a stock or even like a bond, etc....Life insurance is a bet w/ the insurane co. where the insurance co bets you will LIVE beyond a certain age. That was only covering HALF of the opportunity for the ins co's. So they created the annuity - a bet where they WIN if you die BEFORE a certain age. My head is now back to buying gold and stashing.

[netwrkranger]

Some other great alternatives to Switzerland for banking are Austria or Liechtenstein (not sure if they have treaties with the US concerning money and banking). Dubai could be another alternative.

Well... according to the link Weis provided, Austria has a tax treaty with the US, but Liechtenstein does NOT. =D

I'm of the mind that the best way to hold equities or insurance is through a corporation. Remember Rockefeller (that crook), "Own nothing, control everything".

You know, I wonder if Rockefeller knew about common law and used it to his advantage or had lawyers that advised him as such. Perhaps he used the private/public model for his personal and business affairs?

- netwrkranger

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by netwrkranger

Some other great alternatives to Switzerland for banking are Austria or Liechtenstein (not sure if they have treaties with the US concerning money and banking). Dubai could be another alternative.

The Austrian Sparbuch is great, if you can get one.

They stopped issuing new ones a couple years ago, but I hear you can buy already existing ones from holders.

[netwrkranger]

Anstalts from Liechtenstein are another vehicle that one could use. I believe the function like trusts or family foundations.

http://global-money.com/item.php?id=119

[farmer_giles_of_ham]

I don't know how much money any of you are trying to protect but anything less than many millions is probably better off held in real estate, movables, etc

Real estate is a kind of account; it's certainly numbered and named with a holder. It's still by far and away much easier to hide ownership of property than computerized financial accounts- and a little more solid, I think.

At least the paper is backed by something real, and it's harder to attach or dislodge someone. Even in the U.S. there are states that greatly favor private property ("homestead exclusions" etc) against any creditors etc.

A house w/ land and equipment etc, protected by several liens in varied names, is probably safer than a promise from a company even in an "offshore" situation.

How about a nice piece of cheap land outside of the U.S. in a stable area, with prefab structure, energy independence etc. All the "offshore investment" advice I ever heard out there included the wisdom of getting a "2nd home"- at least get some mobility in America, a nice camper stashed with goodies, and a decent 4x4.

whatever you do, only a few eggs/basket. invest in yourself, your loved ones, etc. Lay those treasures up in heaven, so to speak...

[ThomPaine]

didnt read all six pages, but here are a few questions to ponder:

What are you trying to protect and why? If you want to put cash into a bank account and not worry about the connection to you, bank account being frozen, or taxed, etc., then I have a place for you. It is not cheap and you would need to deposit a decent amount of cash. Its not worth your time to open this account and put $2000 bucks into it. They only want to know that the funds are clean clear and legally earned. No SSN card and probably no state ID, as long as you have something else instead.

As mentioned before many of the old school safe havens are no longer safe unless you have good connections and tons of cash. If you have tons of cash, I have other options available.

You should research OECD, MLAT, FATF, FinCen, and probably a few others that I cant think of right off the top of my head.

As for private banking in the America, there are several options available.

You could open an account without a SSN and redeem funds according to DM's procedures or similar,

you can have an account at an internet bank (no storefront) and do all of your banking electronically, where lawful redemption may be a bit more difficult or

you could not have a bank account at all, deal in cash and things like paypal or you could use the account of another entity such as a trust or LLC, which could act as a pass through to forward lawful cash onto the freeman, who has no tax liability. Unless the company does something to draw attention or injure someone, it should be safe..

PM me if you want more info on locations and contacts.

Thom

[netwrkranger]

Pre-paid credit cards:

https://www.netspend.com/

They require a SSN. I wonder what would happen if you entered all 0s??

- netwrkranger

[netwrkranger]

.... or borrow from other people as an alternative to banks? Then, Prosper!

http://www.prosper.com/


- netwrkranger