Swiss Banks

[andrewmitch]

great points...just about everything tangible is at the mercy of hoping that another man or group of men won't take what you have.

Some assets are safer than others - and gold, land with a land patent (maybe?), the ability to grow your own food, the ability to produce your own energy are certainly safer than FRN's and stocks..Skills that could be used for barter, knowledge and education, survival skills, strong personal relationships, and your relationship with God are things that could never be taken away from you.

It is quite humurous that Yuppies think that just because they own a million dollar home and have a million dollar stock portfolio and millions worth of insurance that they are bullet proof. Again, as long as there is the threat from nature or man nothing tangible is ever safe.

But the point with this Swiss bank is to minimize the risk as much as possible so you could provide for your family and to keep the beast away from your property.

[andrewmitch]

http://www.swissprivacy.com/swiss_banking_faq.htm

[andrewmitch]

http://www.swissprivacy.com/swiss_annuity.htm

(although most states have qualified investments such as IRA and 401K as being judgement proof...the reason being is you can't touch the money until age 59 1/2 and therefore you don't have control/ownership of it yet but I am sure that won't stop the IRS)

[David Merrill]

In summary, I think the Swiss may be enjoying a vestigial reputation from before they pooled into SDRs with the UN's IMF Fund. Albeit I have not proven that the Swiss have actually done so. Once you get onto that wagon though, it is on the presumption that nobody, not even one man or woman is redeeming lawful money. And the more recent joiners like China in 2005 are at the top of the heap, Switzerland is #6 and the US is at the bottom of like 180 nations. The US having invented the SDR in the mid-Seventies:

http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/images.../SeizeGold.jpg

The presumption of any SDR member nation is that nobody is owning anything in that nation. Whereas if you demand lawful money with your paycheck, the Treasury cannot hold that First Lien on anything you buy with their private credit and therefore you can actually own it in allodium.

It would appear that the US Treasury first lien process has effected Swiss Banks and they are exercising it very carefully to protect the illusion money is safer there. That is to say that even from the Mile High City the process of debt is admiralty jurisdiction:

http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/images...s/Warrant1.gif
http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/images...s/Warrant2.gif

The objective is to get your funds out of that realm - private credit from the Fed. Once redeemed in lawful money you own the cash and you own the things you buy with the cash.


Regards,

David Merrill.

P.S.

Originally Posted by andrewmitch

http://www.swissprivacy.com/swiss_annuity.htm

(although most states have qualified investments such as IRA and 401K as being judgement proof...the reason being is you can't touch the money until age 59 1/2 and therefore you don't have control/ownership of it yet but I am sure that won't stop the IRS)

That is what I was talking about - "credit on account". When in the form of credit, there is no taxation possible. Oftentimes the IRS will convince somebody they will tax an account balance though. But you have a perfect example of what I mean right there. Technically a retirement or any savings account amount is not taxed until it is withdrawn - and I am saying you write a demand for lawful money on the Withdrawal Slip.

[andrewmitch]

I am sorry but what is an SDR?

[David Merrill]

Originally Posted by andrewmitch

I am sorry but what is an SDR?

Special Drawing Rights. Paper Gold. Bretton Woods members have pooled "international" gold into the UN's IMF Fund (1976) and use this fictional basket of currencies (the five best subjugated/conditioned citizen nations) to determine the "new" floating exchange rate of the dollar domestic with the dollar foreign. That was the objective and now Switzerland seems to have joined, which starts a tally of debt due to its citizens purchasing with private credit from their Fed by whatever name. Their national central bank.

Sadly the Swiss national central bankers are not so open as our Fed reporting to Congress. Look at the footnotes, the price of international gold is still earmarked at Spot in the Seventies - $42.22/ounce.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releas...1207assets.htm
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releas...0108assets.htm



Regards,

David Merrill.

[netwrkranger]

... you are a US citizen and you have foreign bank accounts, you are required, by law, to file forms with the US Treasury Department specifically TDF 90.22-1.

http://taxes.about.com/od/preparingy...a/TDF90221.htm

http://www.escapeartist.com/Expat_Ta...Bank_Accounts/ <~~~ great website by the way...

There are forms you have to fill out with the IRS as well.

It seems to me that if an individual is seeking asset protection, said individual will need to remove the assets from their personal name and place them in the name of some juristic entity (artificial person). That is the purpose of corps and other structures. One of many options for playing in the games of commerce constructed by the King.

- netwrkranger

[andrewmitch]

the more i learn the more i realize the whole thing is one big scam

it's like walking into vegas and thinking the rules are to benefit you - you can not win when you playing by house rules and when the house can change the rules at their will

the invention of paper money and subsequently EFT's was truly ingenious on their part

[psholtz]

Originally Posted by andrewmitch

The other thing the Swiss bank MAY be good for though IS that the interest earned is tax-free from the IRS. But I still have to think that Switzerland will demand taxes. (Again, that is the beauty of gold on hand - it increases in value and there is no tax to be paid on that increase!).

I've heard good things about Swiss annuities.. but again that may be changing w/ new treaties between the US/Switzerland, w/ SDRs, and God knows what else.

[andrewmitch]

Isn't considered a "little" safer if you have Gold Coins (versus bars) given FDR only made bars illegal and not coins?