The party is over, time to go back to the farm.

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by netwrkranger

That really sucks :(.

What is the point of "buying and owning" property if civil government can invent "necessities" to take it away?

I am of the belief that commerce is, in fact, a hampster wheel for peoples' desires and ambitions.

Buying and owning is part of the illusion.This so-called buying and owning is nothing more than 'leasing' something that belongs to another entity.

This concept that was just presented to you and to which you respond "that really sucks", was made manifestly clear in that document that others so adamantly declare as 'nothing' or of 'having no legal effect'; that document being the Senate Document #43, "Contracts Payable in Gold", published in 1933.. This report to the Senate clearly states that all property belongs to the state. The deception of allowing a man or woman to believe they are 'buying and owning' something is merely a means of promoting the advancement of the FRN fiat money system, and also to open the door for more and more need of 'legal' services, which promotes the enrichment of those characters of Nobility (the Attorneys) to become richer by use of torts that are created as a result of underhanded Banking transactions.

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

[amenmesse]

Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts

Buying and owning is part of the illusion.This so-called buying and owning is nothing more than 'leasing' something that belongs to another entity.
Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

Though not the owner of the land, he is nevertheless entitled to exercise all the rights of an owner, so that practically, he stands to the land, as long as the right lasts, in the same relation as though he were the actually owner.

http://books.google.com/books?id=8Gc...Ve8a1lRQ&hl=en

Emphyteusia in Europe becomes feudalism where liegemen become those pledged to defend the higher lord of the land.

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by amenmesse

http://books.google.com/books?id=8Gc...Ve8a1lRQ&hl=en

Emphyteusia in Europe becomes feudalism where liegemen become those pledged to defend the higher lord of the land.

OK. Those are two interesting and excellent terms. We can automatically rule out Emphyteusia, as we are not in Europe. So that leaves us with liegemen. Which in the case of this geography, would seem more appropriate.

Speaking only for myself, I can see where liegemen or liegeman would be applicable to my own situation. I have pledged to defend the Higher Lord of the land. Naturally, I dare not attempt to speak for others.

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

[rentiap]

So why does everybody let their ego run their lives?
No man or woman owns anything on this planet except their interest.
Which is their labor and what they can produce with their labor/energy.

Why must you own anything when you can have use of everything that you need and let the owner of the things pay for them.(owner pays right?)

So why not use the license that you were all given that was created at the time you were born.
You were authorized to do business with the name that was registered at the time you were born to do business in,
but everyones ego gets in the way thinking that the name that was registered at the time you were born, on that certificate of live birth is "your" name, when in fact that name is intellectual property of the ones who registered and trademarked it (and the event)at the time or shortly thereafter when you were born.

And no your parents did not register that name they were just merrily the informant to the ones who did the registering.

Instead of thinking you need to own everything, why not acquire what you need for the owner of that business name, binding the owner of that business name to every contract that you make, but have full use of everything that you acquire in that name that you do not own but you are authorized to use by being the recipient holder of that certificate.


How many on this forum play monopoly?

The answer is everyone of you, everyday.

The problem is that you are all being the token on the board and therefore being liable for everything you do in the game,
Instead you need to know who you are and just be the player.

Use your token(CLB) to play the game as it was setup for everyone since thereabout 1933

[Jerry Pitts]

Originally Posted by rentiap

So why does everybody let their ego run their lives?
No man or woman owes anything on this planet except their interest.
Which is their labor and what they can produce with their labor/energy.

Why must you own anything when you can have use of everything that you need and let the owner of the things pay for them.(owner pays right?)

So why not use the license that you were all given that was created at the time you were born.
You were authorized to do business with the name that was registered at the time you were born to do business in,
but everyones ego gets in the way thinking that the name that was registered at the time you were born, on that certificate of live birth is "your" name, when in fact that name is intellectual property of the ones who registered and trademarked it (and the event)at the time or shortly thereafter when you were born.

And no your parents did not register that name they were just merrily the informant to the ones who did the registering.

Instead of thinking you need to own everything, why not acquire what you need for the owner of that business name, binding the owner of that business name to every contract that you make, but have full use of everything that you acquire in that name that you do not own but you are authorized to use by being the recipient holder of that certificate.


How many on this forum play monopoly?

The answer is everyone of you, everyday.

The problem is that you are all being the token on the board and therefore being liable for everything you do in the game,
Instead you need to know who you are and just be the player.

Use your token(CLB) to play the game as it was setup for everyone since thereabout 1933

That is a seemingly innocent approach to the problem. I do not disagree with the concept you present, with the exception of one thing and that is a matter of personal perspective. That one matter is the requirement for your approach to work, would by your public acknowledgment of some degree of allegiance to the defacto system, ie.., are you a 'citizen' of **** ? This open public admission, then in turn opens the Pandoras' box for many other problems.

Just my point of view.

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

[rentiap]

Originally Posted by Jerry Pitts

That is a seemingly innocent approach to the problem. I do not disagree with the concept you present, with the exception of one thing and that is a matter of personal perspective. That one matter is the requirement for your approach to work, would by your public acknowledgment of some degree of allegiance to the defacto system, ie.., are you a 'citizen' of **** ? This open public admission, then in turn opens the Pandoras' box for many other problems.

Just my point of view.

Jerry Carlos
Ambassador of Jesus, the Christ.

Innocent? no,
simple? Yes.
Allegiance? No!
Knowing who and what you are? yes?
I have stated previously on other threads who and what I am and never have I agreed to being a citizen of anything,Ever!!!
You Jerry, are very aware of who and what I state that I am and who and what I am not. So please take that into consideration with what I have posted. KISS!

You cannot play the game monopoly without a Token, nor can you buy and sell, bank or gain employment without a BC, thus a BC is a token.

It is without doubt that a BC or similar foundation document is required to partake in commercial activity.

You may very easily use the analogy to show you as man and the BC as the token.

It is through registration of birth that a child becomes a person in law (fiction) not in fact, but that need not have any applicability to the child when the child is old enough to realize and do something about his status.

Okay, I can be a person in law if you accept the meaning I give the word person. haha! Person means this man playing the game with this token.

Point here to ponder is that a BC is just like a token required to play the game monopoly; you cannot partake without, and like the game monopoly, you are the player and not the token with respect to the game/commercial activity. It is not your activity but that of the token. Using the analogy is one way to convey who you are and what you are not.
As player you are nothing more than man in that one capacity; at least as concerns the game.

I do not mean to derail this thread and if more discussion is wanted we will continue it on another thread.

I love you,I'm sorry, Please forgive me, Thank you.
Craig.

[andrewmitch]

when you really think about it anything you possess can be taken away from you. whether it be gov't overstepping their boundaries, war, natural disaster, theft, etc. all we can do is try and minimize these risks. natural disaster is the one thing we can not control but the rest is a man-made problem. as long as we are surrounding by greedy men we will always have to protect what is ours. even if we live in a fair and just jurisdiction or even if it we are literally king of the jurisdiction someone from another jurisdiction will always be a threat. sure you could defend yourself with the best army money can buy but sooner or later there will come along an army stronger than yours. when one thinks like this one can only conclude that man is evil. or at least Godless men are evil. i am all for having possessions as long as they are earned fairly and through my own means. again, all we can do is try and minimize the risks as much as possible and pray for the rest. perhaps one way of minimizing the risk is not having something that other people want. if you have the nicest piece of land in the region eventually someone will want to take it from you. it's best to try and possess only "adequate" assets.....